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Well, they do what's right according to how they learned, which may only be a local 'right' and not a global 'right'. There's so many ways to put things togethe

Well, they do what's right according to how they learned, which may only be a local 'right' and not a global 'right'. There's so many ways to put things together that you can make it work in a lot of different ways. It becomes more art than engineering or science. Then whether your peers accept whether it was the right thing is up to their preferences too. All that comes down to the large variety of training everyone in the field gets, from university to youtube tutorials. It's noisy out there

908B64B197 3y ago
> It becomes more art than engineering or science. The opposite. > All that comes down to the large variety of training everyone in the field gets, from university to youtube tutorials. A big problem is that a lot of the youtube/bootcamp ecosystem focusses on "teaching what they do at the FAANG" to lure people into thinking they could get a job there by enrolling/buying whatever training they are selling. And then these people repeat what they have been told are "the best practices". Proper engineering degree teaches about gathering requirement and analyzing the problem space to understand what really needs to be done.
- JohnFen 3y ago
  > Proper engineering degree teaches about gathering requirement and analyzing the problem space to understand what really needs to be done. This. I don't even think you have to bring a degree into it, honestly. This is just at the heart of all engineering (software or otherwise).
- whstl 3y ago
  That's a great point. Good engineering, from a distance, can look awfully like bad engineering from the point of view of a Youtuber or Blogger focused on trends.
- vsareto 3y ago
  >And then these people repeat what they have been told are "the best practices". And then they get jobs which serve to validate their learning paths (maybe not at FAANG), which gives them confidence about what they learned being the right way to do things. >Proper engineering degree teaches about gathering requirement and analyzing the problem space to understand what really needs to be done. Well sure, but a lot of non-engineers do that too. Where's the real distinction at?
  - 908B64B197 3y ago
    > Well sure, but a lot of non-engineers do that too. Where's the real distinction at? A lot of non-lawyers can discuss law principles and explain laws pretty well; but someone who passed the bar I know for a fact are familiar with certain concepts. Same for engineers.

908B64B197 3y ago

> It becomes more art than engineering or science. The opposite. > All that comes down to the large variety of training everyone in the field gets, from university to youtube tutorials. A big problem is that a lot of the youtube/bootcamp ecosystem focusses on "teaching what they do at the FAANG" to lure people into thinking they could get a job there by enrolling/buying whatever training they are selling. And then these people repeat what they have been told are "the best practices". Proper engineering degree teaches about gathering requirement and analyzing the problem space to understand what really needs to be done.

JohnFen 3y ago
> Proper engineering degree teaches about gathering requirement and analyzing the problem space to understand what really needs to be done. This. I don't even think you have to bring a degree into it, honestly. This is just at the heart of all engineering (software or otherwise).
whstl 3y ago
That's a great point. Good engineering, from a distance, can look awfully like bad engineering from the point of view of a Youtuber or Blogger focused on trends.
vsareto 3y ago
>And then these people repeat what they have been told are "the best practices". And then they get jobs which serve to validate their learning paths (maybe not at FAANG), which gives them confidence about what they learned being the right way to do things. >Proper engineering degree teaches about gathering requirement and analyzing the problem space to understand what really needs to be done. Well sure, but a lot of non-engineers do that too. Where's the real distinction at?
- 908B64B197 3y ago
  > Well sure, but a lot of non-engineers do that too. Where's the real distinction at? A lot of non-lawyers can discuss law principles and explain laws pretty well; but someone who passed the bar I know for a fact are familiar with certain concepts. Same for engineers.