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It is also worth stating that the US set the precedent [in post-Cold War era - Edit] for complete disregard of international (and even US) law for own benefit.

It is also worth stating that the US set the precedent [in post-Cold War era - Edit] for complete disregard of international (and even US) law for own benefit. Some examples include: * Bombing of Yugoslavia in 1999 * Invasion of Iraq in 2003 * Recognition of Kosovo in 2008 * Military intervention in Libya 2011 * Snowden's revelations of global surveillance in 2013 * Military intervention in Syria 2014 Curiously, it was the US support for Syrian head-chopping Islamic freedom fighters that Putin said was the final straw for tolerating US unilateralism.

meepmorp 3y ago
But bombing Serbia was a good thing, they were having a happy little genocide going and the US interfered. Similarly, the recognition of Kosovo is good in that context. Why are those in the list?
- medo-bear 3y ago
  Both are illegal under international law
  - meepmorp 3y ago
    So is genocide.
    - medo-bear 3y ago
      There were certainly war crimes in Kosovo committed by both the Albanian and Serbian sides [0], but legally none of it is genocide. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_crimes_in_the_Kosovo_War https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_crimes_in_the_Kosovo_War
JumpCrisscross 3y ago
> the US set the precedent for complete disregard of international (and even US) law for own benefit Nobody followed the human rights or no-foreign military intervention chapters of international law, ever. Not in the Cold War [1]. Not in the 90s [2][3]. The one chapter that was held sacrosanct by the Great Powers was no annexing. There was Metternichean proxy governing. But no annexing. That is the red line Putin blundered through. [1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_interventions_by_the_Soviet_Union https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_interventions_by_the... [2] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samashki_massacre https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samashki_massacre [3] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Novye_Aldi_massacre https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Novye_Aldi_massacre
- medo-bear 3y ago
  The US, a sole world leader in the 1990s-2000s, had the responsibility and opportunity to uphold international law. Instead they chose to function as an imperialist power. Today they claim to protect international law. EDIT: RESPONSE TO BELLOW > Russia was already violating the human rights chapters in ‘95 Correction, Russia was already violating rights of its own citizens in 1993 [0] with full US blessings [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1993_Russian_constitutional_crisis https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1993_Russian_constitutional_cr...
  - meepmorp 3y ago
    > Russia was already violating rights of its own citizens in 1993 [0] with full US blessings Why are the Americans (or NATO) always responsible for the awful things the Russian government does?
    - medo-bear 3y ago
      Because Yeltsin was heavily supported by the US. He bombed elected officials not favourable to the US. Similar thing happened when the US supported Saddam and Pinochet
      - meepmorp 3y ago
        Yeah, ok, so just the basic "America bad," view of things.
        medo-bear 3y ago
        Just goes to show there are useful idiots on every side :)
        meepmorp 3y ago
        That's not a nice thing to say about yourself.
_kbh_ 3y ago
> It is also worth stating that the US set the precedent [in post-Cold War era - Edit] for complete disregard of international (and even US) law for own benefit. Some examples include: Wow that is amazing considering the history of the country you're attempting to support here. None of this is a precedent, the Russians/USSR did it all way before any of this even happened. > Curiously, it was the US support for Syrian head-chopping Islamic freedom fighters that Putin said was the final straw for tolerating US unilateralism. I think you will find that it was Putins ambitions for imperialism that was the final straw in Putins actions.

meepmorp 3y ago

But bombing Serbia was a good thing, they were having a happy little genocide going and the US interfered. Similarly, the recognition of Kosovo is good in that context. Why are those in the list?

medo-bear 3y ago
Both are illegal under international law
- meepmorp 3y ago
  So is genocide.
  - medo-bear 3y ago
    There were certainly war crimes in Kosovo committed by both the Albanian and Serbian sides [0], but legally none of it is genocide. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_crimes_in_the_Kosovo_War https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_crimes_in_the_Kosovo_War

JumpCrisscross 3y ago

> the US set the precedent for complete disregard of international (and even US) law for own benefit Nobody followed the human rights or no-foreign military intervention chapters of international law, ever. Not in the Cold War [1]. Not in the 90s [2][3]. The one chapter that was held sacrosanct by the Great Powers was no annexing. There was Metternichean proxy governing. But no annexing. That is the red line Putin blundered through. [1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_interventions_by_the_Soviet_Union https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_interventions_by_the... [2] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samashki_massacre https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samashki_massacre [3] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Novye_Aldi_massacre https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Novye_Aldi_massacre

medo-bear 3y ago
The US, a sole world leader in the 1990s-2000s, had the responsibility and opportunity to uphold international law. Instead they chose to function as an imperialist power. Today they claim to protect international law. EDIT: RESPONSE TO BELLOW > Russia was already violating the human rights chapters in ‘95 Correction, Russia was already violating rights of its own citizens in 1993 [0] with full US blessings [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1993_Russian_constitutional_crisis https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1993_Russian_constitutional_cr...
- meepmorp 3y ago
  > Russia was already violating rights of its own citizens in 1993 [0] with full US blessings Why are the Americans (or NATO) always responsible for the awful things the Russian government does?
  - medo-bear 3y ago
    Because Yeltsin was heavily supported by the US. He bombed elected officials not favourable to the US. Similar thing happened when the US supported Saddam and Pinochet
    - meepmorp 3y ago
      Yeah, ok, so just the basic "America bad," view of things.
      - medo-bear 3y ago
        Just goes to show there are useful idiots on every side :)
        meepmorp 3y ago
        That's not a nice thing to say about yourself.

_kbh_ 3y ago

> It is also worth stating that the US set the precedent [in post-Cold War era - Edit] for complete disregard of international (and even US) law for own benefit. Some examples include: Wow that is amazing considering the history of the country you're attempting to support here. None of this is a precedent, the Russians/USSR did it all way before any of this even happened. > Curiously, it was the US support for Syrian head-chopping Islamic freedom fighters that Putin said was the final straw for tolerating US unilateralism. I think you will find that it was Putins ambitions for imperialism that was the final straw in Putins actions.