I don't think one can look at this as an either or thing but a spectrum of levels too. Almost nothing in life is 100% black and white, quite literally everythi

I don't think one can look at this as an either or thing but a spectrum of levels too. Almost nothing in life is 100% black and white, quite literally everything you study has more and more edge cases the more you study, even math breaks itself if you try and prove it. But we have reliable levels of math that function as we need it. And generally most things are good enough you can use it reliably. Just because something may break doesn't mean it's useless or anything. Free will is also a spectrum and we all have different levels and different experiences of it. We all have choices we make but we might not be even aware of them. Our body influences our choices and our thinking influences our body. A double edged sword. I remember reading an inspirational tale based on a real author who had to save himself because of his medical bills. He was completely disabled and would write blog posts with his eyes and eventually became such a good writer he was able to publish books and move to Mexico and get nurses to help care for him etc. This guy who has literally only a brain and functional eyes became some millionaire though sheer determination to save himself. Then you might find some rich well off person kill themselves because they can't find a reason to live. Two extremes. One with everything another with basically nothing, I mean would really want to live with that your whole life? Is the natural thought to reverse that? Then you have cats able to communicate quite well with in various ways. I could go on and on about my cat informing me when he is sick etc. I never even got into the whole thing about how your trillion of cells right now are making their own decisions in your body. I mean what even are you but a million things you'll never see or think about unless you get cancer or something when your cells decide not to die. What are you without their death? Also could go into how memories are stored outside the brain with worm studies etc, and how fungus solves mazes, how plants communicate by smell and sound, there is a lot of werid stuff the more you look. Bonus fun reference material: https://unstoppable.me/life-lessons/ https://unstoppable.me/life-lessons/ https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxana_Malaya https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxana_Malaya Teaching sign language to your cat https://vcahospitals.com/know-your-pet/teaching-and-training-a-deaf-cat https://vcahospitals.com/know-your-pet/teaching-and-training... https://phys.org/news/2013-07-flat-worms-retain-memories-decapitation.html https://phys.org/news/2013-07-flat-worms-retain-memories-dec... Plants have a clicking language etc https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2023/03/30/world/plants-make-sounds-scn/index.html https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2023/03/30/worl... Plants have all 5+ senses and can be trained which also is cool if you look into getting them over their fear of falling and other things etc https://theworld.org/stories/2014-01-09/new-research-plant-intelligence-may-forever-change-how-you-think-about-plants https://theworld.org/stories/2014-01-09/new-research-plant-i...