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As Marxist as I tend to be, I view banning media outright is counterproductive. It lifts that work up an ideological martyr and encourages seeking it. If you di
by sacnoradhq 3y ago
As Marxist as I tend to be, I view banning media outright is counterproductive. It lifts that work up an ideological martyr and encourages seeking it. If you disagree with an ideology, then dissect it intellectually and reveal the full history of why it is suboptimal.
2 books worth reading:
1. "The People's History of the United States" by Howard Zinn
2. Brevísima relación de la destrucción de las Indias (A Short Account of the Destruction of the Indies) 1552 by Bartolomé de las Casas. If you thought the slave trade in the British Colonies was brutal, the Heart of Darkness-like massacre of indigenous peoples by the Spanish was akin to the Cambodian genocide multiplied by 10: ~30 million deaths from imported diseases and brutal mass murder, exclude ~11 million African slaves.
Few of the specific dirty deeds done in the name of Manifest Destiny and white supremacy are taught in school. Garrison Mob of 1835, Detroit 1863, Washington and Norfolk 1919, Chicago 1919, Garfield Park 1919, Jenkins County GA 1919, Charleston 1919, Texas 1919, Arizona 1919, Tulsa 1921, Washington DC 1925 (KKK march), and on it goes.
- vintermann 3y agoI remember someone claimed (I can't find it again) that the early Christian anti-heresy writers were pioneers in this regard. They believed that suppressing heresy was not enough, that unless a particular religious error was described and refuted it would surely be reinvented. This wasn't the norm. Of course, it wasn't exactly defense of free speech, they still certainly didn't believe in letting heretics describe their beliefs in their own words.
- sacnoradhq 3y agoAnti-heresy? What do you mean? 16th writers had to use veiled metaphors to criticize the church to avoid being brought before the inquisition. Martin Luther's works formed the basis of Protestantism and of Nazi ideology. Sir Thomas More opposed Luther's ideology and Reformation, and was killed by Henry VIII for failing to be a "yes" man.
- vintermann 3y agoThat is 1000+ years after the writers I refer to. Heresy catalogs start with Irenaeus "against heresies" from ~180.
- NoRelToEmber 3y ago[flagged]
- giraffe_lady 3y agoThis is so many words. You can just say "I like colonialism and think it is good" you won't get in trouble I promise.
- zarathustreal 3y agoWelcome to hacker news! It can take some adjusting to get used to how we do things around here if you’re coming from somewhere like Reddit. If you have something to add to the conversation, please do so. Otherwise, avoid posting flame bait comments like this which are entirely void of substance. Frankly most people couldn’t care less about your (or the person you’re responding to) opinion on colonialism. The proper place to express your angst is with your therapist, not in a hacker news thread.
- giraffe_lady 3y agoHey thanks I've been here since 2011 and the thing I have to add is that excuses for atrocities are and always remain shitty and you are shitty for not thinking so!
- zarathustreal 3y agoListen to me. An opinion is not a meaningful contribution to this conversation. No one shares your exact perspective, by definition. Opinions are subjective, by definition. Stop replying unless you have something meaningful to add. Additional context, such as what was presented by the person you replied to, adds to the conversation. Sarcasm does not. "[I think] You are shitty" does not.
- NoRelToEmber 3y ago> I like colonialism and think it is good I neither wrote nor implied that. More than one thing can be bad at the same time. > excuses for atrocities You are conflating "excuse" for "context". Removing context is how one demonizes a people. For example talking about the "savagery" of Native Americans, while omitting the savagery of Europeans. You would readily recognize that for the demonization it is. Yet swap the actors, and you confuse it for honesty and virtue. Why? Selective coverage of human rights violations is not history, but propaganda.
- musicale 3y agoManifest Destiny is undoubtedly what drove Spotify to ban this Hong Kong protest song. Is there no end to western imperialism?
- sacnoradhq 3y agoIf you are going to comment, you should do so in a more respectful manner and have something to contribute.
- memefrog 3y ago[flagged]