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I don't think "modern" stacks are sane enough to "handroll" anymore. Sure, you can do it, but look at the poster in this thread that details the setup of a debi

I don't think "modern" stacks are sane enough to "handroll" anymore. Sure, you can do it, but look at the poster in this thread that details the setup of a debian server. Kubernetes, "Argo CD", zero-trust, the sheer amount of "management" is off the chart. "Installation of kube-prometheus-stack helm chart".. "Installation of openebs-zfspv".. It's not postgres that's the problem here.

marginalia_nu 3y ago
A lot of "modern" stacks is just complexity for the sake of complexity. Google is doing it so clearly our 5 man startup will face the same scaling problems, or something like that. Many of the problems these tools solve are problems that wouldn't exist building things the old fashioned way. If you stick relatively close to the metal, operating this stuff is pretty easy. However it's notable that a very valid reason to prefer managed services as a SaaS is to cover your ass if things go wrong. Your SLA violation is their SLA violation.
- maccard 3y ago
  The complex stacks are insane to operate yourself but very simple to operate if you use a managed offering instead, and they do provide genuine value. I can set up a new golang app on ECS with a load balancer and database, with a CI/CD pipeline, with 0 downtime updates in about 30 minutes. Most of that time is waiting for AWS to give me a load balancer. Our work applications have been running with this setup for over 2 years and the only thing Ivs done with infra in that time is adjusted instance sizes and bumped a MySql version.
  - marginalia_nu 3y ago
    To be fair, I can set up a new service on bare metal in minutes too, mostly because I don't need to set up everything from scratch. I don't really need to set up a database or load balancer or anything like that because it already exists on the server. Just create a new database schema, new systemd service, new nginx rule.

marginalia_nu 3y ago

A lot of "modern" stacks is just complexity for the sake of complexity. Google is doing it so clearly our 5 man startup will face the same scaling problems, or something like that. Many of the problems these tools solve are problems that wouldn't exist building things the old fashioned way. If you stick relatively close to the metal, operating this stuff is pretty easy. However it's notable that a very valid reason to prefer managed services as a SaaS is to cover your ass if things go wrong. Your SLA violation is their SLA violation.

maccard 3y ago
The complex stacks are insane to operate yourself but very simple to operate if you use a managed offering instead, and they do provide genuine value. I can set up a new golang app on ECS with a load balancer and database, with a CI/CD pipeline, with 0 downtime updates in about 30 minutes. Most of that time is waiting for AWS to give me a load balancer. Our work applications have been running with this setup for over 2 years and the only thing Ivs done with infra in that time is adjusted instance sizes and bumped a MySql version.
- marginalia_nu 3y ago
  To be fair, I can set up a new service on bare metal in minutes too, mostly because I don't need to set up everything from scratch. I don't really need to set up a database or load balancer or anything like that because it already exists on the server. Just create a new database schema, new systemd service, new nginx rule.