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Why would you live in NY without an income like that?

wyclif 3y ago
A reasonable question. What are the non-negotiables that compel people to live in Manhattan? Is it being able to walk to noodles 24/7, or something else?
- jareklupinski 3y ago
  yup, when you're on a roll into the wee hours and you're hungry... there's no where else where I can have a tasty hot sandwich made for me at 2am without it being a big deal
- rcme 3y ago
  Being close to work is the biggest benefit. Especially for young professionals who don’t need a lot of space and are looking to grind in their careers. Also, when they’re not working, being able to have fun is a plus.
  - throwawaysleep 3y ago
    If you have a job that is specifically NY based that is hard to get elsewhere and is an actual paid in money, not cachet career (i.e not working for a magazine) like banking or software, you should earn the 180K pretty easily.
    - stemlord 3y ago
      Why would someone live in new york city if they don't make $180k? Do you realize how out of touch the implications of that question are? There are so many nuances to life that drive people to be in certain places. NYC is a huge metropolis. Get real.
      - sowbug 3y ago
        This is ChatGPT's attempt to rephrase your comment in polite, constructive language. It's important to consider the various factors that influence people's choices, as the question seems to overlook the complexities of life. New York City is a vibrant and diverse metropolis with a multitude of reasons that attract individuals. Let's try to be more realistic and understanding.
- pcurve 3y ago
  I think some of that for sure. I can't speak for others, but for me, I actually like big cities. Watching people. Don't need to own cars to get around. Food variety. Interesting buildings. Cultural stuff. I guess that's why people in NY pay almost 45% of their after tax income towards housing related expenses, which is the highest in the U.S.
  - ghaff 3y ago
    Aside from the fact that many work there, yeah. It's often the I don't really want to leave the city to speak of unless it's a vacation, no car, tons of stuff to do and places to eat.
klodolph 3y ago
People live in NY, raise families, with less income. I don't know what your impression of NY is but your preferences of neighborhood and your lifestyle choices have a massive impact on your cost of living.
Larrikin 3y ago
What I always found interesting about Tokyo was that you could live in all of the various hotspots around the city, alone, on a semi reasonable middle class salary. You would live in a tiny little box, but you could be a 10 minute walk to the middle of Shinjuku or Shibuya. If you are single and don't care about cooking at home it really seemed like a great option. I don't know why in the US we have to be priced out of the biggest cities unless we are making a top 10% income or come from a generation of people who just happened to move there a century again.
- ttul 3y ago
  http://urbankchoze.blogspot.com/2014/04/japanese-zoning.html http://urbankchoze.blogspot.com/2014/04/japanese-zoning.html
- kelnos 3y ago
  I suspect it's because most Americans don't want to live in a little box; culture is just different here. And not having a kitchen seems like a deal-breaker for many people (myself included; even when I was in my 20s and ate out most of the time, I don't think I would have tolerated that). And I believe some municipalities in the US won't consider a space legal to rent out if it doesn't include access to a kitchen. Of course, the real reason you have to be rich to afford a decent space in our biggest cities is because there isn't enough housing to satisfy the demand. Build more (and, critically, make it not incredibly expensive to build more), and prices will go down.
  - alwayslikethis 3y ago
    Eating out in the US is also much less affordable than it is in Asia, even countries like Japan.
    - sk0g 3y ago
      Yeah coming from Australia, the ramens were like $5 a pop instead of $20+. I couldn't even cook it for as little, never mind the labour costs involved. Oh and the food was amazingly fresh and tasty, without too much in terms of flavouring.

A reasonable question. What are the non-negotiables that compel people to live in Manhattan? Is it being able to walk to noodles 24/7, or something else?

jareklupinski 3y ago
yup, when you're on a roll into the wee hours and you're hungry... there's no where else where I can have a tasty hot sandwich made for me at 2am without it being a big deal
rcme 3y ago
Being close to work is the biggest benefit. Especially for young professionals who don’t need a lot of space and are looking to grind in their careers. Also, when they’re not working, being able to have fun is a plus.
- throwawaysleep 3y ago
  If you have a job that is specifically NY based that is hard to get elsewhere and is an actual paid in money, not cachet career (i.e not working for a magazine) like banking or software, you should earn the 180K pretty easily.
  - stemlord 3y ago
    Why would someone live in new york city if they don't make $180k? Do you realize how out of touch the implications of that question are? There are so many nuances to life that drive people to be in certain places. NYC is a huge metropolis. Get real.
    - sowbug 3y ago
      This is ChatGPT's attempt to rephrase your comment in polite, constructive language. It's important to consider the various factors that influence people's choices, as the question seems to overlook the complexities of life. New York City is a vibrant and diverse metropolis with a multitude of reasons that attract individuals. Let's try to be more realistic and understanding.
pcurve 3y ago
I think some of that for sure. I can't speak for others, but for me, I actually like big cities. Watching people. Don't need to own cars to get around. Food variety. Interesting buildings. Cultural stuff. I guess that's why people in NY pay almost 45% of their after tax income towards housing related expenses, which is the highest in the U.S.
- ghaff 3y ago
  Aside from the fact that many work there, yeah. It's often the I don't really want to leave the city to speak of unless it's a vacation, no car, tons of stuff to do and places to eat.

klodolph 3y ago

People live in NY, raise families, with less income. I don't know what your impression of NY is but your preferences of neighborhood and your lifestyle choices have a massive impact on your cost of living.

Larrikin 3y ago

What I always found interesting about Tokyo was that you could live in all of the various hotspots around the city, alone, on a semi reasonable middle class salary. You would live in a tiny little box, but you could be a 10 minute walk to the middle of Shinjuku or Shibuya. If you are single and don't care about cooking at home it really seemed like a great option. I don't know why in the US we have to be priced out of the biggest cities unless we are making a top 10% income or come from a generation of people who just happened to move there a century again.

ttul 3y ago
http://urbankchoze.blogspot.com/2014/04/japanese-zoning.html http://urbankchoze.blogspot.com/2014/04/japanese-zoning.html
kelnos 3y ago
I suspect it's because most Americans don't want to live in a little box; culture is just different here. And not having a kitchen seems like a deal-breaker for many people (myself included; even when I was in my 20s and ate out most of the time, I don't think I would have tolerated that). And I believe some municipalities in the US won't consider a space legal to rent out if it doesn't include access to a kitchen. Of course, the real reason you have to be rich to afford a decent space in our biggest cities is because there isn't enough housing to satisfy the demand. Build more (and, critically, make it not incredibly expensive to build more), and prices will go down.
- alwayslikethis 3y ago
  Eating out in the US is also much less affordable than it is in Asia, even countries like Japan.
  - sk0g 3y ago
    Yeah coming from Australia, the ramens were like $5 a pop instead of $20+. I couldn't even cook it for as little, never mind the labour costs involved. Oh and the food was amazingly fresh and tasty, without too much in terms of flavouring.