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Could someone please forward the memo to Vancouver? https://www.zumper.com/rent-research/vancouver-bc https://www.zumper.com/rent-research/vancouver-bc

mitthrowaway2 3y ago
Perhaps unlike in the US, Canadian renters are still quite far from getting the upper hand. Canadian rent gains are what you'd expect amidst rising mortgage rates and stable housing prices. US rents slowing suggest to me that US housing prices might fall.
ttul 3y ago
Just wait. In 2025, all the five year terms for those ultra cheap pandemic mortgages will reset.
- gary_0 3y ago
  When that starts to happen the Bank of Canada will just lower interest rates to 1% again. The Canadian economy relies heavily on the real estate shell game; they're not going to risk blowing it up. (Maybe they should, and weather the pain so that the economy can go back to producing tangible value again, but that's not how politics works.)
  - joot82 3y ago
    sad but probably true, everybody in charge is invested
  - ttul 3y ago
    The BoC is relatively technocratic and they won't lower interests purely to help homeowners. However, given how much leverage Canadians carry, a shock to the housing sector would probably bring about a recession, which would force the bank to cut rates... at which point you do have to wonder whether house prices would just head back up to the stratosphere in short order.
    - pcthrowaway 3y ago
      > at which point you do have to wonder whether house prices would just head back up to the stratosphere in short order Not sure why you're assuming they'd ever come back from the stratosphere in the first place. All another rate cut would do is untether housing prices entirely from earth's gravitational field, as they disappear into space, like the prospect of homeownership for most people.
      - ttul 3y ago
        And then you have to wonder how long young Canadians will stay in the country, when better prospects can be had nearly anywhere else. Japan? Their housing costs have been falling for decades. How about almost anywhere in the USA? If you seek a high degree of social welfare, go to Finland. Canada is broken for young people. They should leave.

mitthrowaway2 3y ago

Perhaps unlike in the US, Canadian renters are still quite far from getting the upper hand. Canadian rent gains are what you'd expect amidst rising mortgage rates and stable housing prices. US rents slowing suggest to me that US housing prices might fall.

ttul 3y ago

Just wait. In 2025, all the five year terms for those ultra cheap pandemic mortgages will reset.

gary_0 3y ago
When that starts to happen the Bank of Canada will just lower interest rates to 1% again. The Canadian economy relies heavily on the real estate shell game; they're not going to risk blowing it up. (Maybe they should, and weather the pain so that the economy can go back to producing tangible value again, but that's not how politics works.)
- joot82 3y ago
  sad but probably true, everybody in charge is invested
- ttul 3y ago
  The BoC is relatively technocratic and they won't lower interests purely to help homeowners. However, given how much leverage Canadians carry, a shock to the housing sector would probably bring about a recession, which would force the bank to cut rates... at which point you do have to wonder whether house prices would just head back up to the stratosphere in short order.
  - pcthrowaway 3y ago
    > at which point you do have to wonder whether house prices would just head back up to the stratosphere in short order Not sure why you're assuming they'd ever come back from the stratosphere in the first place. All another rate cut would do is untether housing prices entirely from earth's gravitational field, as they disappear into space, like the prospect of homeownership for most people.
    - ttul 3y ago
      And then you have to wonder how long young Canadians will stay in the country, when better prospects can be had nearly anywhere else. Japan? Their housing costs have been falling for decades. How about almost anywhere in the USA? If you seek a high degree of social welfare, go to Finland. Canada is broken for young people. They should leave.