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Or gas stove fans can blast away from bottle gas hobs in their own home while the rest of society reduces the number of people who develop asthma. Everyone is p

Or gas stove fans can blast away from bottle gas hobs in their own home while the rest of society reduces the number of people who develop asthma. Everyone is paying more in health insurance and taxes to tackle negative externalities from the whims and preferences of a small minority and it's getting a little frustrating.

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lockhouse 3y ago
Where does this line of thinking end? Banning unhealthy food and alcohol? Forcing everyone to get proper exercise? Perhaps a perfectly balanced tasteless meal powder created for own good. I’d rather pay double for health insurance and die young than live in your perfect nanny state.
- giraffe_lady 3y ago
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  - metalcrow 3y ago
    "We're not going to take away your ability to do X" is usually what is said shortly before the ability to do X is taken away.
    - giraffe_lady 3y ago
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      - kelipso 3y ago
        There we go. The true feelings come out after all the specious bullshit persuasion tactics. We all know it's there, so come out with it when you begin your bs will you.
  - dang 3y ago
    You broke the site guidelines extremely badly in this thread and have been breaking them in other places too. If you keep this up we're going to have to ban you. I don't want to ban you, so could you please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and stick to the rules? We'd appreciate it.
- faeriechangling 3y ago
  Gas stoves are furnishings that stick around for decades through owners that negatively affect the users, third parties, and the environment. If the claims are true, it seems like gas stoves practice has negatively impacted the respiratory health of a substantial number of children who didn’t buy the stoves. If it was overwhelmingly adult purchasers and leaders being negatively affected, it would be one thing, but it seems like you would have significantly less paediatric asthma patients community wide if gas stoves were just banned or at least more stringently regulated.
  - lockhouse 3y ago
    The problem is, there is very weak scientific evidence of these links and yet here we are swinging the legislative ban hammer already. There are very legitimate reasons to prefer gas stoves. They're not just in apartments because "LOL screw teh Poorz!!! Let them die of the ASTHMAS!!!" Gas heats up considerably faster, allows for more rapid cooking temperature changes, is considerably cheaper to operate in many localities, and is actually relatively clean burning compared to most fossil fuels. Go see what any world class chef outfits their kitchens with. It's almost always gas. There's an ulterior motive here. Why not just legislate that gas appliances be properly vented? Surely if gas stoves were as dangerous as they say the elites would not outfit their kitchens with them. None of this sudden war on gas appliances passes the smell test.
    - bbatha 3y ago
      > Gas heats up considerably faster, allows for more rapid cooking temperature changes, is considerably cheaper to operate in many localities, and is actually relatively clean burning compared to most fossil fuels. Go see what any world class chef outfits their kitchens with. It's almost always gas. Resistive stoves are faster than gas though less responsive. Induction ranges beat the pants off both gas and resistive on basically all dimensions. The only thing induction can't do well is tasks that specifically involve an open flame ie charring pepper skins, the wok hei flavor, etc. Most of these can be reproduced by buying a $10 blow torch or using a propane grill instead.
- Arn_Thor 3y ago
  Nothing is so weak as a slippery slope argument
- Timon3 3y ago
  Seriously! Next people are going to suggest we should prohibit pregnant people from drinking and smoking...
AngryData 3y ago
Unintuitively unhealthy behavior actually saves on medical costs because the vast majority of medical care costs comes from old age related care, which unhealthy people are far less likely to reach. Both obeseity, and especially smoking, actually saves tons of money in healthcare because those people tend to die right around retirement age just before medical costs start skyrocketing. It has been researched quite significantly and at best/worst unhealthy people average out to the same cost as healthy people, but more often are shown to cost less.
- Arn_Thor 3y ago
  Giving children asthma is the reverse of the mechanism you’re highlighting, though

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lockhouse 3y ago

Where does this line of thinking end? Banning unhealthy food and alcohol? Forcing everyone to get proper exercise? Perhaps a perfectly balanced tasteless meal powder created for own good. I’d rather pay double for health insurance and die young than live in your perfect nanny state.

giraffe_lady 3y ago
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- metalcrow 3y ago
  "We're not going to take away your ability to do X" is usually what is said shortly before the ability to do X is taken away.
  - giraffe_lady 3y ago
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    - kelipso 3y ago
      There we go. The true feelings come out after all the specious bullshit persuasion tactics. We all know it's there, so come out with it when you begin your bs will you.
- dang 3y ago
  You broke the site guidelines extremely badly in this thread and have been breaking them in other places too. If you keep this up we're going to have to ban you. I don't want to ban you, so could you please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and stick to the rules? We'd appreciate it.
faeriechangling 3y ago
Gas stoves are furnishings that stick around for decades through owners that negatively affect the users, third parties, and the environment. If the claims are true, it seems like gas stoves practice has negatively impacted the respiratory health of a substantial number of children who didn’t buy the stoves. If it was overwhelmingly adult purchasers and leaders being negatively affected, it would be one thing, but it seems like you would have significantly less paediatric asthma patients community wide if gas stoves were just banned or at least more stringently regulated.
- lockhouse 3y ago
  The problem is, there is very weak scientific evidence of these links and yet here we are swinging the legislative ban hammer already. There are very legitimate reasons to prefer gas stoves. They're not just in apartments because "LOL screw teh Poorz!!! Let them die of the ASTHMAS!!!" Gas heats up considerably faster, allows for more rapid cooking temperature changes, is considerably cheaper to operate in many localities, and is actually relatively clean burning compared to most fossil fuels. Go see what any world class chef outfits their kitchens with. It's almost always gas. There's an ulterior motive here. Why not just legislate that gas appliances be properly vented? Surely if gas stoves were as dangerous as they say the elites would not outfit their kitchens with them. None of this sudden war on gas appliances passes the smell test.
  - bbatha 3y ago
    > Gas heats up considerably faster, allows for more rapid cooking temperature changes, is considerably cheaper to operate in many localities, and is actually relatively clean burning compared to most fossil fuels. Go see what any world class chef outfits their kitchens with. It's almost always gas. Resistive stoves are faster than gas though less responsive. Induction ranges beat the pants off both gas and resistive on basically all dimensions. The only thing induction can't do well is tasks that specifically involve an open flame ie charring pepper skins, the wok hei flavor, etc. Most of these can be reproduced by buying a $10 blow torch or using a propane grill instead.
Arn_Thor 3y ago
Nothing is so weak as a slippery slope argument
Timon3 3y ago
Seriously! Next people are going to suggest we should prohibit pregnant people from drinking and smoking...

AngryData 3y ago

Unintuitively unhealthy behavior actually saves on medical costs because the vast majority of medical care costs comes from old age related care, which unhealthy people are far less likely to reach. Both obeseity, and especially smoking, actually saves tons of money in healthcare because those people tend to die right around retirement age just before medical costs start skyrocketing. It has been researched quite significantly and at best/worst unhealthy people average out to the same cost as healthy people, but more often are shown to cost less.

Arn_Thor 3y ago
Giving children asthma is the reverse of the mechanism you’re highlighting, though