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The WIV has BSL-4, BSL-3 and BSL-2 labs. But the research involving insertion of human specific furin cleavage sites into coronaviruses sampled in the wild was

The WIV has BSL-4, BSL-3 and BSL-2 labs. But the research involving insertion of human specific furin cleavage sites into coronaviruses sampled in the wild was done in BSL2 which just means a thin medical mask and gloves. https://theintercept.com/2021/09/23/coronavirus-research-grant-darpa/ https://theintercept.com/2021/09/23/coronavirus-research-gra...

zoklet-enjoyer 3y ago
Wow. The past 3 years I thought they had a lot more PPE than that. Not sure why anyone would be surprised about a leak when that's all they wore.
- anon291 3y ago
  Realistically, many people's bayesian priors are severely skewed against the lab leak hypothesis because it is associated with Donald Trump, and even intelligent people find it difficult to separate the message from the messenger.
  - ZeroGravitas 3y ago
    The fact that one of the authors of this is Shellenberger makes me assume the opposite is true. He's clearly a grifter. Can grifters sometimes be correct? Yes. On a topic that happens to be culture war catnip? The odds reduce greatly.
    - zoklet-enjoyer 3y ago
      I never heard of him. If the facts are: 1. The lab was doing gain of function experiments on coronaviruses 2. They wore limited PPE while working with these viruses 3. The first reported cases were near the lab then I think there's a high likelihood the virus came from the lab. I don't know why this would be controversial.
seattle_spring 3y ago
It's not at all just a "thin mask and gloves." Just because Joe Rogan said this nonsense doesn't make it the truth. Here are the actual BSL2 requirements: https://uwm.edu/ibc/bsl2_requirements/ https://uwm.edu/ibc/bsl2_requirements/
- throwawaylinux 3y ago
  Yeah, no mask at all it seems.
  - object-a 3y ago
    > Infectious material used in procedures with a potential for creating aerosols or splashes, or used in high concentrations or large volumes, must be handled in an annually certified biosafety cabinet.
    - throwawaylinux 3y ago
      > Note: certified biosafety cabinet not to be worn as mask.

zoklet-enjoyer 3y ago

Wow. The past 3 years I thought they had a lot more PPE than that. Not sure why anyone would be surprised about a leak when that's all they wore.

anon291 3y ago
Realistically, many people's bayesian priors are severely skewed against the lab leak hypothesis because it is associated with Donald Trump, and even intelligent people find it difficult to separate the message from the messenger.
- ZeroGravitas 3y ago
  The fact that one of the authors of this is Shellenberger makes me assume the opposite is true. He's clearly a grifter. Can grifters sometimes be correct? Yes. On a topic that happens to be culture war catnip? The odds reduce greatly.
  - zoklet-enjoyer 3y ago
    I never heard of him. If the facts are: 1. The lab was doing gain of function experiments on coronaviruses 2. They wore limited PPE while working with these viruses 3. The first reported cases were near the lab then I think there's a high likelihood the virus came from the lab. I don't know why this would be controversial.

seattle_spring 3y ago

It's not at all just a "thin mask and gloves." Just because Joe Rogan said this nonsense doesn't make it the truth. Here are the actual BSL2 requirements: https://uwm.edu/ibc/bsl2_requirements/ https://uwm.edu/ibc/bsl2_requirements/

throwawaylinux 3y ago
Yeah, no mask at all it seems.
- object-a 3y ago
  > Infectious material used in procedures with a potential for creating aerosols or splashes, or used in high concentrations or large volumes, must be handled in an annually certified biosafety cabinet.
  - throwawaylinux 3y ago
    > Note: certified biosafety cabinet not to be worn as mask.