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The asthmatics can switch to cooking on glorified hot plates if that makes them happy while the rest of us can continue cooking with our woks over gas. The rul

The asthmatics can switch to cooking on glorified hot plates if that makes them happy while the rest of us can continue cooking with our woks over gas. The rules are constantly being tweaked to appease the 0.01% at the expense of everybody else and it's getting a little frustrating.

kungito 3y ago
It's creating new asthmatics from the pool of not asthmatic people. It's not about the already asthmatic people
bbatha 3y ago
I will take any bet that the pool of folks with asthma and susceptible to asthma from stoves is outstrips the amount of people who cook with woks and would benefit from gas over induction by a significant margin. Not to mention the public health costs…
- kelipso 3y ago
  Wok users might be rare but gas stove lovers are plenty.
  - bbatha 3y ago
    But do they actually get better performance out of a it then induction? That's why OP mentioned woks they are one of the rare things that is somewhat better on gas vs induction.
    - chillbill 3y ago
      Why do you care? Let people do what they want!
      - bbatha 3y ago
        1. Maintaining gas infrastructure leaks methane which is a terrible greenhouse gas. Burning it emits co2. 2. As numerous other and the original article states there are numerous public health effects. This is both costly to public health systems/insurance providers meaning we all pay for it. Morally the other occupants of your household may not have a say (children). Renters won’t have a choice in the matter either. This is especially salient since apartments often lack proper ventilation.
        chillbill 3y ago
        Grifter tactics will ultimately fail. Stop pretending you care about people with Asthma. You only care about your “green” politically motivated agenda. Stop hijacking climate for political control. Stop pretending you’re doing it because you care about others. You and what you argue for is pure selfish and dictatorial.
Arn_Thor 3y ago
Or gas stove fans can blast away from bottle gas hobs in their own home while the rest of society reduces the number of people who develop asthma. Everyone is paying more in health insurance and taxes to tackle negative externalities from the whims and preferences of a small minority and it's getting a little frustrating.
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- lockhouse 3y ago
  Where does this line of thinking end? Banning unhealthy food and alcohol? Forcing everyone to get proper exercise? Perhaps a perfectly balanced tasteless meal powder created for own good. I’d rather pay double for health insurance and die young than live in your perfect nanny state.
  - giraffe_lady 3y ago
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    - metalcrow 3y ago
      "We're not going to take away your ability to do X" is usually what is said shortly before the ability to do X is taken away.
      - giraffe_lady 3y ago
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        kelipso 3y ago
        There we go. The true feelings come out after all the specious bullshit persuasion tactics. We all know it's there, so come out with it when you begin your bs will you.
    - 3y ago
mint2 3y ago
Why do they put deer crossing signs on busy highways? It’s such a terrible place to suggest deer cross the road. Yes, that’s an example of a clear misunderstanding of what’s going on. The signs are not causing deer to cross, and neither is the stove concern about aggravating asthmatics. Because yes, people who know they have asthma could get an electric stove if they want.
twelvedogs 3y ago
no one is appeasing anyone, the only suggested changes are stopping new gas stove installs in new homes in some states. even then i would imagine it would be trivial to just wait till after the house is built and put one in induction stovetops are faster and easier to clean anyway, my stovetop is playing up so i'm swapping from gas since it's just better tech anyway
eternityforest 3y ago
A lot of the exposure probably happens in childhood. They might never have developed asthma without exposure they didn't choose or control. Plus it's not like people are likely to die because of lack of gas stoves, most likely the opposite because of potential safety features in induction. I'm not sure how much regulation is appropriate here, but I sure wouldn't want to use gas every day by choice. It looks cool, but it's also pollution in your own house, and if anything goes wrong you might not be able to fix it yourself because of safety and legal requirements.

kungito 3y ago

It's creating new asthmatics from the pool of not asthmatic people. It's not about the already asthmatic people

bbatha 3y ago

I will take any bet that the pool of folks with asthma and susceptible to asthma from stoves is outstrips the amount of people who cook with woks and would benefit from gas over induction by a significant margin. Not to mention the public health costs…

kelipso 3y ago
Wok users might be rare but gas stove lovers are plenty.
- bbatha 3y ago
  But do they actually get better performance out of a it then induction? That's why OP mentioned woks they are one of the rare things that is somewhat better on gas vs induction.
  - chillbill 3y ago
    Why do you care? Let people do what they want!
    - bbatha 3y ago
      1. Maintaining gas infrastructure leaks methane which is a terrible greenhouse gas. Burning it emits co2. 2. As numerous other and the original article states there are numerous public health effects. This is both costly to public health systems/insurance providers meaning we all pay for it. Morally the other occupants of your household may not have a say (children). Renters won’t have a choice in the matter either. This is especially salient since apartments often lack proper ventilation.
      - chillbill 3y ago
        Grifter tactics will ultimately fail. Stop pretending you care about people with Asthma. You only care about your “green” politically motivated agenda. Stop hijacking climate for political control. Stop pretending you’re doing it because you care about others. You and what you argue for is pure selfish and dictatorial.

Arn_Thor 3y ago

Or gas stove fans can blast away from bottle gas hobs in their own home while the rest of society reduces the number of people who develop asthma. Everyone is paying more in health insurance and taxes to tackle negative externalities from the whims and preferences of a small minority and it's getting a little frustrating.

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lockhouse 3y ago
Where does this line of thinking end? Banning unhealthy food and alcohol? Forcing everyone to get proper exercise? Perhaps a perfectly balanced tasteless meal powder created for own good. I’d rather pay double for health insurance and die young than live in your perfect nanny state.
- giraffe_lady 3y ago
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  - metalcrow 3y ago
    "We're not going to take away your ability to do X" is usually what is said shortly before the ability to do X is taken away.
    - giraffe_lady 3y ago
      [flagged]
      - kelipso 3y ago
        There we go. The true feelings come out after all the specious bullshit persuasion tactics. We all know it's there, so come out with it when you begin your bs will you.
  - 3y ago

mint2 3y ago

Why do they put deer crossing signs on busy highways? It’s such a terrible place to suggest deer cross the road. Yes, that’s an example of a clear misunderstanding of what’s going on. The signs are not causing deer to cross, and neither is the stove concern about aggravating asthmatics. Because yes, people who know they have asthma could get an electric stove if they want.

twelvedogs 3y ago

no one is appeasing anyone, the only suggested changes are stopping new gas stove installs in new homes in some states. even then i would imagine it would be trivial to just wait till after the house is built and put one in induction stovetops are faster and easier to clean anyway, my stovetop is playing up so i'm swapping from gas since it's just better tech anyway

eternityforest 3y ago

A lot of the exposure probably happens in childhood. They might never have developed asthma without exposure they didn't choose or control. Plus it's not like people are likely to die because of lack of gas stoves, most likely the opposite because of potential safety features in induction. I'm not sure how much regulation is appropriate here, but I sure wouldn't want to use gas every day by choice. It looks cool, but it's also pollution in your own house, and if anything goes wrong you might not be able to fix it yourself because of safety and legal requirements.