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And the cloud bills are also not paid: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36274884 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36274884

by est31 3y ago

nocsi 3y ago
When you're too big of a customer that you can't be shut out. Strategic toxism
- rad_gruchalski 3y ago
  Too big customer who doesn’t pay is a liability.
  - berniedurfee 3y ago
    But they might pay enough to turn a profit. Worth the gamble. Sounds pretty typical for real estate.
digging 3y ago
A recent Behind the Bastards on Musk said that he decided to stop paying all of Twitter's bills. Claimed that SF was a "shithole" in an attempt to argue his rent there was too high. Lots of illegal orders and actions going on.
- mytailorisrich 3y ago
  It's not illegal to stop paying bills (apart from tax bills) though obviously a pretty brutal strategy.
  - digging 3y ago
    No, but there are many other things going on which are illegal. someone else posted a link to the lawsuit, read it if you have time, it's nuts.
- jimcsharp 3y ago
  I'm surprised that I was surprised Musk just goes ahead with unsafe unpermitted monkey patches to his building just like the slumlords in my nowhere town.
  - mrguyorama 3y ago
    Grifters, big and small, are all the same.
- deleted 3y ago
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- rnk 3y ago
  Behind the bastards is excellent, I should start listening to that podcast again. It's fantastic that they're covering musk. Is there any explanation for why they think not paying their bills lead to a good outcome? Are there bills so high that somehow they control the other side or something ridiculous like that?
  - Balgair 3y ago
    Aside: I never could get into it. It feels too much like 'punching down' to me. Not in the real sense, but the hosts always come off as 'better' and so when they make fun, it's just not a good vibe. The recordings also come off to me as unprofessional. Things like googling during the taping, not being well briefed on the material, being salty that they have to cut to ads (and there seem to be a lot of ads!), and just bad audio quality. I've really tried, but the podcast somehow rubs me the wrong way. What am I missing?
    - rsynnott 3y ago
      I mean, the whole idea is that it’s about horrible people. Being nice about the horrible people is, unsurprisingly, not considered a priority. Not sure where punching down is coming from; almost all the subjects are either dictators or filthy rich. You can’t punch down on Stalin. He occasionally does a non-bastard episode, and the tone is very different.
    - rnk 3y ago
      I don't know. I haven't listed to it for a year or two, but I enjoyed it in the beginning. They went through historical figures mostly. They talked about some famous dictators like Mussolini and Hitler, but there were many other ones. They had a show about the history of fascism in Italy that I think was part of that series. There were several attempts to take over the govt before Mussolini succeeded, it was eerily reminiscent of today's US.
      - nagonago 3y ago
        I wish he would stick to the historical content. These days there's too much discussion of modern issues. I guess that's fine, but not what I personally want from the podcast. Also, the guests can be pretty hit-or-miss. Some are great, some are pretty terrible.
- papito 3y ago
  People should read that lawsuit. It's insane. https://www.fastcompany.com/90898558/twitter-lawsuit-new-details-company-culture-elon-musk https://www.fastcompany.com/90898558/twitter-lawsuit-new-det... ``` THE TOILET The lawsuit alleges that Boring Company CEO Steve Davis told plaintiff Joseph Killian, a 12-year Twitter veteran who oversaw office design, that Musk wanted to add a bathroom next to his office, so he didn't need to wake his security team (who escorted him everywhere in the building) when he needed to relieve himself in the middle of the night. Killian says he promised to jump right on that, but warned it would take time to get the permits approved. Davis, the suit alleges, told him not to get the permits saying, "we don't have to follow those rules." When told no licensed plumber would do the job without a permit, Davis allegedly told Killian to hire an unlicensed plumber instead, which would have been a violation of the lease. ```

And the cloud bills are also not paid: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36274884 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36274884

by est31 3y ago

And the cloud bills are also not paid: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36274884 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36274884

nocsi 3y ago

When you're too big of a customer that you can't be shut out. Strategic toxism

rad_gruchalski 3y ago
Too big customer who doesn’t pay is a liability.
- berniedurfee 3y ago
  But they might pay enough to turn a profit. Worth the gamble. Sounds pretty typical for real estate.

digging 3y ago

A recent Behind the Bastards on Musk said that he decided to stop paying all of Twitter's bills. Claimed that SF was a "shithole" in an attempt to argue his rent there was too high. Lots of illegal orders and actions going on.

mytailorisrich 3y ago
It's not illegal to stop paying bills (apart from tax bills) though obviously a pretty brutal strategy.
- digging 3y ago
  No, but there are many other things going on which are illegal. someone else posted a link to the lawsuit, read it if you have time, it's nuts.
jimcsharp 3y ago
I'm surprised that I was surprised Musk just goes ahead with unsafe unpermitted monkey patches to his building just like the slumlords in my nowhere town.
- mrguyorama 3y ago
  Grifters, big and small, are all the same.
deleted 3y ago
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rnk 3y ago
Behind the bastards is excellent, I should start listening to that podcast again. It's fantastic that they're covering musk. Is there any explanation for why they think not paying their bills lead to a good outcome? Are there bills so high that somehow they control the other side or something ridiculous like that?
- Balgair 3y ago
  Aside: I never could get into it. It feels too much like 'punching down' to me. Not in the real sense, but the hosts always come off as 'better' and so when they make fun, it's just not a good vibe. The recordings also come off to me as unprofessional. Things like googling during the taping, not being well briefed on the material, being salty that they have to cut to ads (and there seem to be a lot of ads!), and just bad audio quality. I've really tried, but the podcast somehow rubs me the wrong way. What am I missing?
  - rsynnott 3y ago
    I mean, the whole idea is that it’s about horrible people. Being nice about the horrible people is, unsurprisingly, not considered a priority. Not sure where punching down is coming from; almost all the subjects are either dictators or filthy rich. You can’t punch down on Stalin. He occasionally does a non-bastard episode, and the tone is very different.
  - rnk 3y ago
    I don't know. I haven't listed to it for a year or two, but I enjoyed it in the beginning. They went through historical figures mostly. They talked about some famous dictators like Mussolini and Hitler, but there were many other ones. They had a show about the history of fascism in Italy that I think was part of that series. There were several attempts to take over the govt before Mussolini succeeded, it was eerily reminiscent of today's US.
    - nagonago 3y ago
      I wish he would stick to the historical content. These days there's too much discussion of modern issues. I guess that's fine, but not what I personally want from the podcast. Also, the guests can be pretty hit-or-miss. Some are great, some are pretty terrible.
papito 3y ago
People should read that lawsuit. It's insane. https://www.fastcompany.com/90898558/twitter-lawsuit-new-details-company-culture-elon-musk https://www.fastcompany.com/90898558/twitter-lawsuit-new-det... ``` THE TOILET The lawsuit alleges that Boring Company CEO Steve Davis told plaintiff Joseph Killian, a 12-year Twitter veteran who oversaw office design, that Musk wanted to add a bathroom next to his office, so he didn't need to wake his security team (who escorted him everywhere in the building) when he needed to relieve himself in the middle of the night. Killian says he promised to jump right on that, but warned it would take time to get the permits approved. Davis, the suit alleges, told him not to get the permits saying, "we don't have to follow those rules." When told no licensed plumber would do the job without a permit, Davis allegedly told Killian to hire an unlicensed plumber instead, which would have been a violation of the lease. ```