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Seems in addition to unpaid rent, they also haven't been paying to have the office cleaned. https://www.denverpost.com/2023/05/22/twitter-boulder-colorado-laws

Seems in addition to unpaid rent, they also haven't been paying to have the office cleaned. https://www.denverpost.com/2023/05/22/twitter-boulder-colorado-lawsuit-office-cleaners/ https://www.denverpost.com/2023/05/22/twitter-boulder-colora... I wonder if this office was still occupied.

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est31 3y ago
And the cloud bills are also not paid: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36274884 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36274884
- nocsi 3y ago
  When you're too big of a customer that you can't be shut out. Strategic toxism
  - rad_gruchalski 3y ago
    Too big customer who doesn’t pay is a liability.
    - berniedurfee 3y ago
      But they might pay enough to turn a profit. Worth the gamble. Sounds pretty typical for real estate.
- digging 3y ago
  A recent Behind the Bastards on Musk said that he decided to stop paying all of Twitter's bills. Claimed that SF was a "shithole" in an attempt to argue his rent there was too high. Lots of illegal orders and actions going on.
  - mytailorisrich 3y ago
    It's not illegal to stop paying bills (apart from tax bills) though obviously a pretty brutal strategy.
    - digging 3y ago
      No, but there are many other things going on which are illegal. someone else posted a link to the lawsuit, read it if you have time, it's nuts.
  - jimcsharp 3y ago
    I'm surprised that I was surprised Musk just goes ahead with unsafe unpermitted monkey patches to his building just like the slumlords in my nowhere town.
    - mrguyorama 3y ago
      Grifters, big and small, are all the same.
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  - rnk 3y ago
    Behind the bastards is excellent, I should start listening to that podcast again. It's fantastic that they're covering musk. Is there any explanation for why they think not paying their bills lead to a good outcome? Are there bills so high that somehow they control the other side or something ridiculous like that?
    - Balgair 3y ago
      Aside: I never could get into it. It feels too much like 'punching down' to me. Not in the real sense, but the hosts always come off as 'better' and so when they make fun, it's just not a good vibe. The recordings also come off to me as unprofessional. Things like googling during the taping, not being well briefed on the material, being salty that they have to cut to ads (and there seem to be a lot of ads!), and just bad audio quality. I've really tried, but the podcast somehow rubs me the wrong way. What am I missing?
itbeho 3y ago
Did I read that correctly? The cleaning bill was $98k for 3 months?
- lethologica 3y ago
  Sounds like I need to start a cleaning business…
  - Marsymars 3y ago
    My partner actually did exactly that! Biggest problem is kinda like many other small businesses, you end up being on call 24/7 (okay, really more like 18/7 since nobody is cleaning at 3 am.) and unable to take vacation, or even reliable weekend trips out of town. Staffing is also a continual problem. Even if you pay significantly above market, cleaning isn't a very in-demand job, so you have to deal with both regular turnover and employee performance issues.

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est31 3y ago

And the cloud bills are also not paid: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36274884 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36274884

nocsi 3y ago
When you're too big of a customer that you can't be shut out. Strategic toxism
- rad_gruchalski 3y ago
  Too big customer who doesn’t pay is a liability.
  - berniedurfee 3y ago
    But they might pay enough to turn a profit. Worth the gamble. Sounds pretty typical for real estate.
digging 3y ago
A recent Behind the Bastards on Musk said that he decided to stop paying all of Twitter's bills. Claimed that SF was a "shithole" in an attempt to argue his rent there was too high. Lots of illegal orders and actions going on.
- mytailorisrich 3y ago
  It's not illegal to stop paying bills (apart from tax bills) though obviously a pretty brutal strategy.
  - digging 3y ago
    No, but there are many other things going on which are illegal. someone else posted a link to the lawsuit, read it if you have time, it's nuts.
- jimcsharp 3y ago
  I'm surprised that I was surprised Musk just goes ahead with unsafe unpermitted monkey patches to his building just like the slumlords in my nowhere town.
  - mrguyorama 3y ago
    Grifters, big and small, are all the same.
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- rnk 3y ago
  Behind the bastards is excellent, I should start listening to that podcast again. It's fantastic that they're covering musk. Is there any explanation for why they think not paying their bills lead to a good outcome? Are there bills so high that somehow they control the other side or something ridiculous like that?
  - Balgair 3y ago
    Aside: I never could get into it. It feels too much like 'punching down' to me. Not in the real sense, but the hosts always come off as 'better' and so when they make fun, it's just not a good vibe. The recordings also come off to me as unprofessional. Things like googling during the taping, not being well briefed on the material, being salty that they have to cut to ads (and there seem to be a lot of ads!), and just bad audio quality. I've really tried, but the podcast somehow rubs me the wrong way. What am I missing?

itbeho 3y ago

Did I read that correctly? The cleaning bill was $98k for 3 months?

lethologica 3y ago
Sounds like I need to start a cleaning business…
- Marsymars 3y ago
  My partner actually did exactly that! Biggest problem is kinda like many other small businesses, you end up being on call 24/7 (okay, really more like 18/7 since nobody is cleaning at 3 am.) and unable to take vacation, or even reliable weekend trips out of town. Staffing is also a continual problem. Even if you pay significantly above market, cleaning isn't a very in-demand job, so you have to deal with both regular turnover and employee performance issues.