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>As for free will, anyone saying we don’t have it is doing bad science since every person knows they do This is a statement spoken with an authoritativeness th

>As for free will, anyone saying we don’t have it is doing bad science since every person knows they do This is a statement spoken with an authoritativeness that it doesn't deserve. There has never been a time I can remember that "free will" ever seemed real to me much less something I inherently "know"; it is at best an imprecise phrase for something I don't have a word for. The physical body is going to do what it does, the thing experiencing qualia is just along for the ride. As for "bad science", free will as it is described seems that it would violate causality. That a macroscale effect can occur spontaneously without a paired action.

matt-attack 3y ago
Exactly. To those who think free will is real, what exactly are you claiming is true about a particular set of atoms (shaped like a human)? Are they atoms not doing what they should do? How can a box of atoms control themselves? What does that even mean? Is physics being defied when the atoms are arranged into the shape of a brain? Free will is literally a non sensible concept and is plainly just a subjective illusion.
- omniglottal 3y ago
  1. Humans evaluate, determine, and select which causal effects to attempt/apply, among the selections in their known agency. 2. The world, given its complexity and chaos, is non-deterministic. Humans determine their actions (will) where fate (determinism) isn't prescriptive of their course. Humans don't have a monopoly on will, but we do have our own. If you've ever survived, it's because you chose to eat. Eventually, even decisions like these which you may feel are implicit are also subject to be reversed if we want to and will.
  - flangola7 3y ago
    > 1. Humans evaluate, determine, and select which causal effects to attempt/apply, among the selections in their known agency. Explain this process in the framework of physics and thermodynamics. Specifically, what differentiates this free will process from mere causal process?

matt-attack 3y ago

Exactly. To those who think free will is real, what exactly are you claiming is true about a particular set of atoms (shaped like a human)? Are they atoms not doing what they should do? How can a box of atoms control themselves? What does that even mean? Is physics being defied when the atoms are arranged into the shape of a brain? Free will is literally a non sensible concept and is plainly just a subjective illusion.

omniglottal 3y ago
1. Humans evaluate, determine, and select which causal effects to attempt/apply, among the selections in their known agency. 2. The world, given its complexity and chaos, is non-deterministic. Humans determine their actions (will) where fate (determinism) isn't prescriptive of their course. Humans don't have a monopoly on will, but we do have our own. If you've ever survived, it's because you chose to eat. Eventually, even decisions like these which you may feel are implicit are also subject to be reversed if we want to and will.
- flangola7 3y ago
  > 1. Humans evaluate, determine, and select which causal effects to attempt/apply, among the selections in their known agency. Explain this process in the framework of physics and thermodynamics. Specifically, what differentiates this free will process from mere causal process?