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If the thing you want can only be economical by exploiting laborers, then too bad, you have to live without that thing.

willio58 3y ago
Solid point. It's like when Uber stopped subsidizing their rides as much and people started freaking out. We get complacent thinking we deserve these services with little cost, when real humans are the ones providing these services and we're essentially thinking they shouldn't make enough money to live well.
- ctoth 3y ago
  See, I completely disagree with this. I am absolutely certain that the economics for these services could work if they weren't piping a majority of profits back to the bloated mothership. > A driver recently shared with me that he made $5 on a $23 ride I booked recently. If I order Doordash, the food is already way more expensive than in the restaurant. The driver gets a delivery fee. The driver gets a tip. Somehow, a $10 meal turns into $25. And there's still not enough money to pay the driver to bring me food from 5 minutes away? (I'm blind and don't have a car.) Of course there is. It's just all going to corporate. You thought Hollywood accounting was bad, wait until you learn about delivery business accounting.
  - nebula8804 3y ago
    I don't see how you can pull enough fat out of the operation to reverse the terrible numbers that Doordash has had for years. Here is a link to their financials. They have had years of losses. [1]:https://stockanalysis.com/stocks/dash/financials/ https://stockanalysis.com/stocks/dash/financials/
WalterBright 3y ago
And then those workers are unemployed.
nebula8804 3y ago
Thats the entire western way of life. Look at Purism attempting to make a phone in the US: It costs 2000$...How many people would be willing to pay 2000$ for an iPhone? Lets say Apple can be more efficient than a startup like Purism, maybe they can get to 1500$? The recent labor shortages in Florida were caused by undocumented migrants being scared by Desantis's stupid immigrant law. Lets not forget the COVID supply shortages which in hindsight were not a complete collapse thanks to a lot of sacrifice by people who we never see and never think about. China is going offline either now with greater tensions or later due to their demographic bomb and so far Apple and others are making progress transitioning to Vietnam, thailand etc to stave off the eventual truth that the west is structurally bankrupt. Maybe robots will save us? Thats what all the elites are banking on.

Solid point. It's like when Uber stopped subsidizing their rides as much and people started freaking out. We get complacent thinking we deserve these services with little cost, when real humans are the ones providing these services and we're essentially thinking they shouldn't make enough money to live well.

ctoth 3y ago
See, I completely disagree with this. I am absolutely certain that the economics for these services could work if they weren't piping a majority of profits back to the bloated mothership. > A driver recently shared with me that he made $5 on a $23 ride I booked recently. If I order Doordash, the food is already way more expensive than in the restaurant. The driver gets a delivery fee. The driver gets a tip. Somehow, a $10 meal turns into $25. And there's still not enough money to pay the driver to bring me food from 5 minutes away? (I'm blind and don't have a car.) Of course there is. It's just all going to corporate. You thought Hollywood accounting was bad, wait until you learn about delivery business accounting.
- nebula8804 3y ago
  I don't see how you can pull enough fat out of the operation to reverse the terrible numbers that Doordash has had for years. Here is a link to their financials. They have had years of losses. [1]:https://stockanalysis.com/stocks/dash/financials/ https://stockanalysis.com/stocks/dash/financials/

WalterBright 3y ago

And then those workers are unemployed.

nebula8804 3y ago

Thats the entire western way of life. Look at Purism attempting to make a phone in the US: It costs 2000$...How many people would be willing to pay 2000$ for an iPhone? Lets say Apple can be more efficient than a startup like Purism, maybe they can get to 1500$? The recent labor shortages in Florida were caused by undocumented migrants being scared by Desantis's stupid immigrant law. Lets not forget the COVID supply shortages which in hindsight were not a complete collapse thanks to a lot of sacrifice by people who we never see and never think about. China is going offline either now with greater tensions or later due to their demographic bomb and so far Apple and others are making progress transitioning to Vietnam, thailand etc to stave off the eventual truth that the west is structurally bankrupt. Maybe robots will save us? Thats what all the elites are banking on.