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Managing people is where the real money is vs. say, straight programming
by JasserInicide 3y ago
Managing people is where the real money is vs. say, straight programming
- rizzaxc 3y agothis is not true in my experience. they are often 1 or 2 paygrades (literally) below engineers, controlled for ranks
- tyingq 3y agoDoes depend on the industry. Big non tech companies often have the leadership pay well above the engineers.
- candiddevmike 3y agoThose who can, code; those who can't, tell people what to code.
- giraffe_lady 3y agoShit like this is why people mock programmer brain and they are right to.
- ren_engineer 3y agoplenty of engineers have created successful companies on their own. On the other hand there's literally never been a non-technical founder who created something because by definition if you don't have the technical skills you can't build something, even if you have a great idea or problem to solve
- urthor 3y agoWhat a ridiculous statement. Why did I read the comments section...
- JasserInicide 3y agothose who can't, tell people what to code. And they get paid more to do, so who's really winning here?
- hn_throwaway_99 3y agoMost product managers don't have direct reports.
- jdlshore 3y agoProduct management isn’t (or shouldn’t be) a people management position. It’s a cross between inbound marketing, product design, and high-level prioritization/planning. Done well, it’s essential to creating products people love. Unfortunately, it’s easy to do poorly. Done poorly, it looks like bad project management: shuffling Gantt charts and micromanaging engineers.
- starky 3y agoReading this thread had me questioning my own understanding of what a Product Manager is. Engineering has little day-to-day involvement with the product managers as they are busy working with customers, setting roadmaps, and determining requirements for products. Interactions are typically to demo what we have built, get feedback on a new feature or deviation from the product requirements, or in a weekly status update meeting. A lot of people here are describing a position I would just call project management with a bit of technical management thrown in.
- gtk40 3y agoWhile as a product owner I'm not primarily a people leader (although I do) I got a significant pay bump switching from a lead engineer to a product owner at my company.