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its obviously sarcastic. some people have "forgotten" what healthy competition and competent regulation of markets means.

tristan957 3y ago
Any companies that aren't Apple or Microsoft that compete with Google do not have healthy competition at all. What are you talking about? Google uses www.google.com, the most popular website in the world, to push Chrome. Chrome, the most popular browser in the world, uses www.google.com as the default search engine. Google controls the largest ad marketplace and analytics tool, so they use Chrome to harm the ad landscape to stifle ad-tech competitors (third party cookies) and completely hinder the development of ad blocking software (FLoC and web bundles). Google uses Android, the most popular mobile operating system in the world, to push Google services and has Chrome as the default browser. Anti-trust regulation must step in when a company uses its market dominance in one area to gain an advantage in another. Here, we have an entire feedback loop. We haven't had competent regulation of markets since the early 1900s. Google needs to divest Doubleclick and Chrome. This is completely untenable.
- jefftk 3y ago
  > use Chrome to harm the ad landscape to stifle ad-tech competitors (third party cookies) As in, Chrome is removing third-party cookie support to hurt their ad-tech competitors? How do you square this with Safari kicking off third-party cookie removal, Firefox following close behind, and Chrome being last? > completely hinder the development of ad blocking software (FLoC and web bundles) Neither FLoC nor web bundles impact ad blockers, though? Both can trivially be blocked, and don't introduce new capabilities that strengthen ad blocking circumvention relative to ad blocking. (With FLoC I'm not sure what you mean here, since this isn't an argument I've seen before. With web bundles I was the main person pushing this in Google Ads before I left a year ago, and while adblocker-circumvention is something Brave claimed it never made much sense: https://www.jefftk.com/p/webbundles-and-url-randomization https://www.jefftk.com/p/webbundles-and-url-randomization).
  - bbor 3y ago
    I wonder how many Display engineers there are bouncing around in this thread… certainly catches our eye!

tristan957 3y ago

Any companies that aren't Apple or Microsoft that compete with Google do not have healthy competition at all. What are you talking about? Google uses www.google.com, the most popular website in the world, to push Chrome. Chrome, the most popular browser in the world, uses www.google.com as the default search engine. Google controls the largest ad marketplace and analytics tool, so they use Chrome to harm the ad landscape to stifle ad-tech competitors (third party cookies) and completely hinder the development of ad blocking software (FLoC and web bundles). Google uses Android, the most popular mobile operating system in the world, to push Google services and has Chrome as the default browser. Anti-trust regulation must step in when a company uses its market dominance in one area to gain an advantage in another. Here, we have an entire feedback loop. We haven't had competent regulation of markets since the early 1900s. Google needs to divest Doubleclick and Chrome. This is completely untenable.

jefftk 3y ago
> use Chrome to harm the ad landscape to stifle ad-tech competitors (third party cookies) As in, Chrome is removing third-party cookie support to hurt their ad-tech competitors? How do you square this with Safari kicking off third-party cookie removal, Firefox following close behind, and Chrome being last? > completely hinder the development of ad blocking software (FLoC and web bundles) Neither FLoC nor web bundles impact ad blockers, though? Both can trivially be blocked, and don't introduce new capabilities that strengthen ad blocking circumvention relative to ad blocking. (With FLoC I'm not sure what you mean here, since this isn't an argument I've seen before. With web bundles I was the main person pushing this in Google Ads before I left a year ago, and while adblocker-circumvention is something Brave claimed it never made much sense: https://www.jefftk.com/p/webbundles-and-url-randomization https://www.jefftk.com/p/webbundles-and-url-randomization).
- bbor 3y ago
  I wonder how many Display engineers there are bouncing around in this thread… certainly catches our eye!