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Congrats to SF politicians (and people who voted for them) for ruining this city.

by Varqu 3y ago

CoastalCoder 3y ago
I'm sure most of them mean well. I think it's a hard problem to solve. AFAICT, it's a topic where different political ideologies suggest very different (and largely incompatible) solutions.
draw_down 3y ago
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HKH2 3y ago
The cell will burst and the contents of the cell will move to other cells.
muglug 3y ago
TIL that SF politicians created the COVID pandemic and drove the WFH policies that emptied out the business district. SF suffers from many of the same problems that other much-more-conservative cities suffer from, but you don’t hear about them as much because it doesn’t fit a narrative. I live in NYC, and visit SF often for work. I’m fascinated in the similarities and difference between the cities. For example, pre-pandemic SF public transport had half the daily ridership per capita that NYC had, implying workers there were much more dependent on cars. That, combined with the much lower housing density, meant that white-collar workers were much less interested in returning to the office. NYC and SF have a similar unhoused percentage, yet one seems worse. Maybe a bunch of that is due to laissez-faire policing? But it could also be due to SF’s climate that makes being out on the street year-round slightly more doable. Downtown has particularly low housing density. How much of that is due to SF government, and how much is due to big tech paying ridiculously high rents for buildings?
- coolhand2120 3y ago
  Do you have any citations to back up “SF is just as bad as X city?” I travel a lot as work out of a SF office. It really is a lot worse than say Los Angeles which is a high bar to cross. I think the biggest difference between SF and other cities is that SF supports criminals. Car break ins are not investigated. Shoplifting is legal. Drug use is effectively legal. Physical assault/robbery is effectively legal for some cohorts. Criminals come to SF for these reasons. It’s lawlessness supported by the city council. And they’re currently talking about giving every black resident $6M dollars because of the California slave trade, mind you slavery was never in CA. But this is what the city council is interested in. These people are interested in exacerbating the problem, not fixing it. I keep thinking there’s some threshold, but there isn’t, SF seems destined to become like Detroit.
  - 62951413 3y ago
    "SF ranks last among 63 cities in downtown recovery, data shows" (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZrCOyIWqsP4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZrCOyIWqsP4)
  - muglug 3y ago
    Looking at this table from 2019: https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2019/crime-in-the-u.s.-2019/topic-pages/tables/table-6 https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2019/crime-in-the-u.s.-... SF has much more property crime than Los Angeles, but lower violent crime than Los Angeles (and most other big cities).
- fundad 3y ago
  This is a really good point. Many people who want city life no longer need to be in the Bay Area and can live in NY. That does dampen street life and makes it less attractive for conventions or vacation. SF was a place to cosplay city life for people who commuted into Silicon Valley. Recently the VC network seemed to claim it but that's by definition small numbers.

Congrats to SF politicians (and people who voted for them) for ruining this city.

by Varqu 3y ago

Congrats to SF politicians (and people who voted for them) for ruining this city.

I'm sure most of them mean well. I think it's a hard problem to solve. AFAICT, it's a topic where different political ideologies suggest very different (and largely incompatible) solutions.

draw_down 3y ago

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HKH2 3y ago

The cell will burst and the contents of the cell will move to other cells.

muglug 3y ago

TIL that SF politicians created the COVID pandemic and drove the WFH policies that emptied out the business district. SF suffers from many of the same problems that other much-more-conservative cities suffer from, but you don’t hear about them as much because it doesn’t fit a narrative. I live in NYC, and visit SF often for work. I’m fascinated in the similarities and difference between the cities. For example, pre-pandemic SF public transport had half the daily ridership per capita that NYC had, implying workers there were much more dependent on cars. That, combined with the much lower housing density, meant that white-collar workers were much less interested in returning to the office. NYC and SF have a similar unhoused percentage, yet one seems worse. Maybe a bunch of that is due to laissez-faire policing? But it could also be due to SF’s climate that makes being out on the street year-round slightly more doable. Downtown has particularly low housing density. How much of that is due to SF government, and how much is due to big tech paying ridiculously high rents for buildings?

coolhand2120 3y ago
Do you have any citations to back up “SF is just as bad as X city?” I travel a lot as work out of a SF office. It really is a lot worse than say Los Angeles which is a high bar to cross. I think the biggest difference between SF and other cities is that SF supports criminals. Car break ins are not investigated. Shoplifting is legal. Drug use is effectively legal. Physical assault/robbery is effectively legal for some cohorts. Criminals come to SF for these reasons. It’s lawlessness supported by the city council. And they’re currently talking about giving every black resident $6M dollars because of the California slave trade, mind you slavery was never in CA. But this is what the city council is interested in. These people are interested in exacerbating the problem, not fixing it. I keep thinking there’s some threshold, but there isn’t, SF seems destined to become like Detroit.
- 62951413 3y ago
  "SF ranks last among 63 cities in downtown recovery, data shows" (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZrCOyIWqsP4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZrCOyIWqsP4)
- muglug 3y ago
  Looking at this table from 2019: https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2019/crime-in-the-u.s.-2019/topic-pages/tables/table-6 https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2019/crime-in-the-u.s.-... SF has much more property crime than Los Angeles, but lower violent crime than Los Angeles (and most other big cities).
fundad 3y ago
This is a really good point. Many people who want city life no longer need to be in the Bay Area and can live in NY. That does dampen street life and makes it less attractive for conventions or vacation. SF was a place to cosplay city life for people who commuted into Silicon Valley. Recently the VC network seemed to claim it but that's by definition small numbers.