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> It’s not that “Spez doesn’t get it!!!” it’s actually the users who don’t get it. Yeah they’re going to lose 10-20% of their users, they know. And they’re goin

> It’s not that “Spez doesn’t get it!!!” it’s actually the users who don’t get it. Yeah they’re going to lose 10-20% of their users, they know. And they’re going to make 5x or 10x the revenue on the remaining 80%. Yes, it will be bland and suck for you, and it will make them a shitload of money. Not sure why this is so confusing for people - they don’t want you as the customer. That's a good point but I don't see what about this would magically make profits rise 5x or 10x. Like what's the value proposition here? TikTok and the like already exist. I don't see what Reddit has to offer especially since they've been very lazy offering their users anything. > The rest is just the ex-partner making a scene after you dumped them. They’ll get tired of it eventually, if not you get the cops to clean it up and move on. I mean, both parties can make a cold rational calculus. Reddit can calculate they'd be better off pivoting to mindless scrolling, fair enough. But the people unhappy with that can also calculate that they'd be better off making this process as unpleasant for Reddit as possible. Best case they win, and Reddit is forced to backtrack. Worst case, they still made a lot of noise and that likely decreases the chance of somebody else pivoting, and bolsters alternatives. I think an unpleasant truth some ignore is that tantrums have a purpose -- they're extremely unpleasant to be on the end of, that's why they're a thing at all, because they often do have power.

paulmd 3y ago
> That's a good point but I don't see what about this would magically make profits rise 5x or 10x. Because right now everyone is using third-party clients, or at least old.reddit, and that means they're not viewing the ads. Even worse, they might be (shudders) commenting instead of scrolling. new.reddit and the native app are what your tiktok drip-feed looks like, and it's way easier to insert ads into that. In fact, it's actually exceptionally hard to insert ads into comment trees, whereas you can just throw the mcdonald's ad into the list of frontpage posts or whatever. So comments are being deprecated in favor of posts overall, because they're easier to monetize, and the new.reddit and native client are how you monetize them. It's not a coincidence that comments/etc are de-emphasized in the new-reddit interface, they don't want you commenting, they want you scrolling, just like tiktok. > Like what's the value proposition here? TikTok and the like already exist Tiktok is at risk of being banned in a lot of places, and is at minimum going to come under a lot of regulatory scrutiny and oversight. Because it has the strong potential to be, instead of your "AI girlfriend", your "AI best-friend with ties to extremism" that slowly algorithmically radicalizes you in whatever ways feel best for you personally according to your own interest. You're left-leaning? Fine here's some bernie videos and protesters getting beaten. Right leaning? OANN, and videos of protesters burning down a store. They can tune the engagement for each user, and push certain topics and stories while it not only feels organic, but is actually extremely engaging and compelling for each particular user. Just like Google controlling search means they control what surfaces in that medium. But Tiktok's not gonna blow it on adwords, that's way too powerful a propaganda tool. Reddit wants to position themselves as the alternative if/when the hammer starts to come down for Tiktok. And yes, there's instagram and snapchat and other things I would think of first instead of Reddit... but Reddit would say that the comment-based site hasn't been commercially successful for them. > I think an unpleasant truth some ignore is that tantrums have a purpose -- they're extremely unpleasant to be on the end of, that's why they're a thing at all, because they often do have power. Yeah, probably true.

paulmd 3y ago

> That's a good point but I don't see what about this would magically make profits rise 5x or 10x. Because right now everyone is using third-party clients, or at least old.reddit, and that means they're not viewing the ads. Even worse, they might be (shudders) commenting instead of scrolling. new.reddit and the native app are what your tiktok drip-feed looks like, and it's way easier to insert ads into that. In fact, it's actually exceptionally hard to insert ads into comment trees, whereas you can just throw the mcdonald's ad into the list of frontpage posts or whatever. So comments are being deprecated in favor of posts overall, because they're easier to monetize, and the new.reddit and native client are how you monetize them. It's not a coincidence that comments/etc are de-emphasized in the new-reddit interface, they don't want you commenting, they want you scrolling, just like tiktok. > Like what's the value proposition here? TikTok and the like already exist Tiktok is at risk of being banned in a lot of places, and is at minimum going to come under a lot of regulatory scrutiny and oversight. Because it has the strong potential to be, instead of your "AI girlfriend", your "AI best-friend with ties to extremism" that slowly algorithmically radicalizes you in whatever ways feel best for you personally according to your own interest. You're left-leaning? Fine here's some bernie videos and protesters getting beaten. Right leaning? OANN, and videos of protesters burning down a store. They can tune the engagement for each user, and push certain topics and stories while it not only feels organic, but is actually extremely engaging and compelling for each particular user. Just like Google controlling search means they control what surfaces in that medium. But Tiktok's not gonna blow it on adwords, that's way too powerful a propaganda tool. Reddit wants to position themselves as the alternative if/when the hammer starts to come down for Tiktok. And yes, there's instagram and snapchat and other things I would think of first instead of Reddit... but Reddit would say that the comment-based site hasn't been commercially successful for them. > I think an unpleasant truth some ignore is that tantrums have a purpose -- they're extremely unpleasant to be on the end of, that's why they're a thing at all, because they often do have power. Yeah, probably true.