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I think a different approach would work better at this point. They need to stay up but use their subreddits to publicly plan Reddit "exits" for each community.

by zmmmmm 3y ago

I think a different approach would work better at this point. They need to stay up but use their subreddits to publicly plan Reddit "exits" for each community. Subreddits should start polls on where migrate to (discord, lemmy, mastodon, etc etc), and then start systematically cross posting anything posted to their subreddit to the new space, with comments turned off on the Reddit version. The key in a negotiation is to have a crystal clear, realistic picture of the other party's constraints, motivations and ethical framework. In this case, it's clear Huffman has hard constraints around making Reddit profitable. He could easily do it by reducing headcount but that itself would defeat the purpose because it would devalue the IPO (who wants to buy a shrinking company?). He clearly has no moral or ethical compulsion here. So there isn't another option than to threaten what really matters to him: it has to be made real for Huffman that he's going to lose this if he doesn't budge. The only thing that will convince him is actually seeing users permanently leave.

tao_oat 3y ago
Reddit announced a 5% headcount reduction a week ago: https://www.reuters.com/technology/reddit-lay-off-about-5-workforce-wsj-2023-06-06/ https://www.reuters.com/technology/reddit-lay-off-about-5-wo...
- zmmmmm 3y ago
  Interesting. But I'd say it still fits with the narrative. 5% is a good "we practice fiscal constraint" message. To get back to a reasonable cost basis, they need to lay off 50%, which would send a totally different message.
hacb 3y ago
If my favorites subreddits go to Discord, I'll simply not go there. Discord has nothing to do like a forum, it is almost impossible to search for valuable information, and is really hard to use when dozens and dozens of people are talking simultaneously. I really don't get why so many people want their sub to go to Discord tbh.
- tester457 3y ago
  Discord has forums now, they're helpful. The only downside is they're not indexed.
- KeplerBoy 3y ago
  Discord has forum like features these days. Still a terrible choice though.
  - madeofpalk 3y ago
    Discord's attempt as 'forum' is... incredibly bad and difficult to read. It is not what anyone expects a forum to be.
- pmoriarty 3y ago
  From the frying pan in to the fire. Discord doesn't even have third party apps.
- zmmmmm 3y ago
  same here, totally mystified. One of my favorite subreddits went over to Discord and apart from the UI/UX being horrific, it doesn't seem to replicate much of the Reddit experience. It's just a giant chat session with a few subtopics it's a cesspool of animated emojis etc.
- kibibyte 3y ago
  I like Discord but I get that it's not for everybody. Jumping into a very active wide Discord community (with many channels) can be an incredibly jarring sensory assault, and if you don't have a narrower community (e.g. a private server for just your friend group, or honestly just a server with very few channels to keep track of) to figure out things, it can be very off-putting. That said, the reason why so many people want to go to Discord is pretty hard to miss: out of all the alternatives, it's the one with critical mass now. Even if everyone is distributed across different servers (to be clear to those less familiar, a server is not a physical/virtual host) and cannot directly interact with one another, the network effects are readily apparent.
- 3y ago
yanderekko 3y ago
>They need to stay up but use their subreddits to publicly plan Reddit "exits" for each community. I have to wonder if this would be allowed, in the past this has only been tried for subreddits that feared being banned in an imminent fashion. On the other hand, you have rules against mods purposefully destroying their own communities, and trying to force an off-site migration in a heavy-handed fashion (eg. stopping user contributions/participation) may be seen as running afoul of these rules.
- redsaber 3y ago
  our community in reddit before was like more or less 10k and we managed to migrate to self hosted website by the admin.
  - yanderekko 3y ago
    And you actually destroyed the community on Reddit in the process?
    - redsaber 3y ago
      wait, I'm not the mod of our community but the community on Reddit was already private.
pmoriarty 3y ago
"They need to stay up but use their subreddits to publicly plan Reddit "exits" for each community. Subreddits should start polls on where migrate to (discord, lemmy, mastodon, etc etc), and then start systematically cross posting anything posted to their subreddit to the new space, with comments turned off on the Reddit version." That takes way more determination and organization than the vast majority of Reddit users are capable of. A couple day blackout is really just about what they can manage, and just about what most Reddit users will tolerate. I would be absolutely shocked if this whole thing doesn't blow over in a couple of weeks, though I also wouldn't be surprised if Reddit's owners didn't compromise in some way either.
- AndrewKemendo 3y ago
  I agree and think this is probably going to go the way spez anticipates unfortunately. It really is an indictment on the movement that we weren’t able to find better leadership that had real practical organizing experience and a plan.

by zmmmmm 3y ago

tao_oat 3y ago

Reddit announced a 5% headcount reduction a week ago: https://www.reuters.com/technology/reddit-lay-off-about-5-workforce-wsj-2023-06-06/ https://www.reuters.com/technology/reddit-lay-off-about-5-wo...

zmmmmm 3y ago
Interesting. But I'd say it still fits with the narrative. 5% is a good "we practice fiscal constraint" message. To get back to a reasonable cost basis, they need to lay off 50%, which would send a totally different message.

hacb 3y ago

If my favorites subreddits go to Discord, I'll simply not go there. Discord has nothing to do like a forum, it is almost impossible to search for valuable information, and is really hard to use when dozens and dozens of people are talking simultaneously. I really don't get why so many people want their sub to go to Discord tbh.

tester457 3y ago
Discord has forums now, they're helpful. The only downside is they're not indexed.
KeplerBoy 3y ago
Discord has forum like features these days. Still a terrible choice though.
- madeofpalk 3y ago
  Discord's attempt as 'forum' is... incredibly bad and difficult to read. It is not what anyone expects a forum to be.
pmoriarty 3y ago
From the frying pan in to the fire. Discord doesn't even have third party apps.
zmmmmm 3y ago
same here, totally mystified. One of my favorite subreddits went over to Discord and apart from the UI/UX being horrific, it doesn't seem to replicate much of the Reddit experience. It's just a giant chat session with a few subtopics it's a cesspool of animated emojis etc.
kibibyte 3y ago
I like Discord but I get that it's not for everybody. Jumping into a very active wide Discord community (with many channels) can be an incredibly jarring sensory assault, and if you don't have a narrower community (e.g. a private server for just your friend group, or honestly just a server with very few channels to keep track of) to figure out things, it can be very off-putting. That said, the reason why so many people want to go to Discord is pretty hard to miss: out of all the alternatives, it's the one with critical mass now. Even if everyone is distributed across different servers (to be clear to those less familiar, a server is not a physical/virtual host) and cannot directly interact with one another, the network effects are readily apparent.
3y ago

yanderekko 3y ago

>They need to stay up but use their subreddits to publicly plan Reddit "exits" for each community. I have to wonder if this would be allowed, in the past this has only been tried for subreddits that feared being banned in an imminent fashion. On the other hand, you have rules against mods purposefully destroying their own communities, and trying to force an off-site migration in a heavy-handed fashion (eg. stopping user contributions/participation) may be seen as running afoul of these rules.

redsaber 3y ago
our community in reddit before was like more or less 10k and we managed to migrate to self hosted website by the admin.
- yanderekko 3y ago
  And you actually destroyed the community on Reddit in the process?
  - redsaber 3y ago
    wait, I'm not the mod of our community but the community on Reddit was already private.

pmoriarty 3y ago

"They need to stay up but use their subreddits to publicly plan Reddit "exits" for each community. Subreddits should start polls on where migrate to (discord, lemmy, mastodon, etc etc), and then start systematically cross posting anything posted to their subreddit to the new space, with comments turned off on the Reddit version." That takes way more determination and organization than the vast majority of Reddit users are capable of. A couple day blackout is really just about what they can manage, and just about what most Reddit users will tolerate. I would be absolutely shocked if this whole thing doesn't blow over in a couple of weeks, though I also wouldn't be surprised if Reddit's owners didn't compromise in some way either.

AndrewKemendo 3y ago
I agree and think this is probably going to go the way spez anticipates unfortunately. It really is an indictment on the movement that we weren’t able to find better leadership that had real practical organizing experience and a plan.