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> it's what you believe when you don't have belief I know it's trendy to dismiss energy, chakras, astral projection out of hand, but there's some weird shit t
by nprateem 3y ago
> it's what you believe when you don't have belief
I know it's trendy to dismiss energy, chakras, astral projection out of hand, but there's some weird shit that feels every bit as real as any other experience if you know how to tap into them.
Someone entering trance states (like Crowley's wife apparently) and interacting with those levels of consciousness isn't engaged in belief, they're having experiences that are real to them.
- burnished 3y agoProbably because they make completely wild claims that fall flat at the first hint of scrutiny. Then compounding that, I think a lot of people haven't had a 'religious' experience like that but have probably felt pressured to claim otherwise at some point. The result being that such talk appears completely ridiculous and clearly fictional. Which is all kind of a shame because it seems that these kinds of experiences are intrinsically human experiences, albeit completely internal, and discussion of it probably doesn't deserve to have 'belief in the supernatural' as a prerequisite.
- nprateem 3y agoYeah exactly, the potential for charlatans is huge. But the reports of a certain type of experience are common enough across time and space to be taken seriously. I was reading a story the other day that Kesha (singer of Timber etc) had a major experience and her therapists recognised it as a spiritual awakening. I was pleased to see she wasn't just given anti-psychotics. So I think there's more open-mindedness and awareness in some circles, which is the first step in dispassionately investigating anything. https://www.theguardian.com/music/2023/may/06/kesha-gag-order-interview https://www.theguardian.com/music/2023/may/06/kesha-gag-orde...