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That's interesting because I feel like I can't make ChatGPT do anything useful for me.

by rcme 3y ago

moomoo11 3y ago
Have you tried removing your brain and trying again? Jk but I feel like i have to really try hard to sound “dumb” when I ask gpt4 to do anything complex. If I put any words that are kinda technical or specific it ends up misunderstanding completely. I think because we are highly technical it’s like diminishing returns for us. For a total noob it’s like opening Pandora’s box. We are gonna have a ton of shitty insecurely running code soon.
- Ekaros 3y ago
  And this is my biggest fear with whole thing. We end up deploying good amount of actually critical code that is either wrong or subtly wrong and then we aren't going to fix it soon enough.
  - hutzlibu 3y ago
    So currently we are only shipping rock solid code? That would be news to me.
    - moomoo11 3y ago
      I mean, obviously not, but we are experienced (more important, because we actually understand CS, computers, networking, etc. at least the competent engineers anyway) and knowledgeable enough to have robust testing, monitoring & observability and alerting, and mitigation strategies in place.
      - hutzlibu 3y ago
        Yes, but not really everyone is using these tools today. And sure, the amount of garbage code that sometimes works, will increase with more people getting into it with the help of AI. And critical systems will continue to need experts. And every other project that seems important, but does not run anymore, because no one understands the code.
- hutzlibu 3y ago
  Yes, you have to ask dumb, but still include the right buzzwords. I used it succesfully for generating some math functions, that I could have done myself, but in longer time. And friends of mine use it for .. producing text. Because they don't like writing and surprisingly many people don't. So for me I am faster writing it myself, but I happen to like it and do and did it a lot. But for other people it is actually painful to structure a long email or product description. They are happy for AI helping them now.
  - moomoo11 3y ago
    Nice. I mostly use it for generating data, or getting high level general information about topics.
  - rcme 3y ago
    I’ve tried using to for text as well. Generally the writing is so poor and devoid of meaning that I’m too embarrassed to pass it off as my own.
    - hutzlibu 3y ago
      That's my feeling as well, but you are also here writing comments, likely making you one of the people who enjoy writing. People who don't have different standards ..
SkyPuncher 3y ago
This has been my experience as well. I suspect I'm mentally blocked from understanding how to use it snippets at a time. I just can't think that way as a dev.
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chaxor 3y ago
It's likely that it's because you have specific design principles in mind, whereas if you don't know about design in programming you will be blown away that you can copy/paste commands and something works. Otoh, if you want a function in less than 100 LoC that performs a complete download/parse/process/transform process to a Qdrant DB and makes this available on IPFS, using producer consumer queues, as few intermediate files as possible, allows starting/stopping caching, and multiprocessing where possible, you may have a a harder time. However it can still be enormously helpful to get the structure for this pretty close, with a few internet lookups to find appropriate packages to help out.

That's interesting because I feel like I can't make ChatGPT do anything useful for me.

by rcme 3y ago

That's interesting because I feel like I can't make ChatGPT do anything useful for me.

Have you tried removing your brain and trying again? Jk but I feel like i have to really try hard to sound “dumb” when I ask gpt4 to do anything complex. If I put any words that are kinda technical or specific it ends up misunderstanding completely. I think because we are highly technical it’s like diminishing returns for us. For a total noob it’s like opening Pandora’s box. We are gonna have a ton of shitty insecurely running code soon.

Ekaros 3y ago
And this is my biggest fear with whole thing. We end up deploying good amount of actually critical code that is either wrong or subtly wrong and then we aren't going to fix it soon enough.
- hutzlibu 3y ago
  So currently we are only shipping rock solid code? That would be news to me.
  - moomoo11 3y ago
    I mean, obviously not, but we are experienced (more important, because we actually understand CS, computers, networking, etc. at least the competent engineers anyway) and knowledgeable enough to have robust testing, monitoring & observability and alerting, and mitigation strategies in place.
    - hutzlibu 3y ago
      Yes, but not really everyone is using these tools today. And sure, the amount of garbage code that sometimes works, will increase with more people getting into it with the help of AI. And critical systems will continue to need experts. And every other project that seems important, but does not run anymore, because no one understands the code.
hutzlibu 3y ago
Yes, you have to ask dumb, but still include the right buzzwords. I used it succesfully for generating some math functions, that I could have done myself, but in longer time. And friends of mine use it for .. producing text. Because they don't like writing and surprisingly many people don't. So for me I am faster writing it myself, but I happen to like it and do and did it a lot. But for other people it is actually painful to structure a long email or product description. They are happy for AI helping them now.
- moomoo11 3y ago
  Nice. I mostly use it for generating data, or getting high level general information about topics.
- rcme 3y ago
  I’ve tried using to for text as well. Generally the writing is so poor and devoid of meaning that I’m too embarrassed to pass it off as my own.
  - hutzlibu 3y ago
    That's my feeling as well, but you are also here writing comments, likely making you one of the people who enjoy writing. People who don't have different standards ..

SkyPuncher 3y ago

This has been my experience as well. I suspect I'm mentally blocked from understanding how to use it snippets at a time. I just can't think that way as a dev.

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chaxor 3y ago

It's likely that it's because you have specific design principles in mind, whereas if you don't know about design in programming you will be blown away that you can copy/paste commands and something works. Otoh, if you want a function in less than 100 LoC that performs a complete download/parse/process/transform process to a Qdrant DB and makes this available on IPFS, using producer consumer queues, as few intermediate files as possible, allows starting/stopping caching, and multiprocessing where possible, you may have a a harder time. However it can still be enormously helpful to get the structure for this pretty close, with a few internet lookups to find appropriate packages to help out.