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They did not mention Linux at all in the notice. EAGLE supported Linux but as far as I know, Fusion 360 does not. Maybe I am their only user that cares, but thi

They did not mention Linux at all in the notice. EAGLE supported Linux but as far as I know, Fusion 360 does not. Maybe I am their only user that cares, but this is the main reason I will be pushing my coworkers to migrate to KiCad. When Autodesk claim Fusion 360 has the same functionality as Eagle and can replace it, that is a lie. It does not work on Linux so it is not a valid replacement.

genmud 3y ago
Yea, I have looked at F360 EDA and there are a lot of features that either are buggy as hell or just don't exist. I'm not sure that F360 is going to get much uptake from EEs until the software has had a few more years to bake and by then, most will likely have migrated to other tools.
sebazzz 3y ago
That Fusion 360 doesn't work on Linux is probably a business decision too, because it packs a lot of web tech. F360 isn't very far from a packaged web app.
- inferiorhuman 3y ago
  Fusion 360 is very much a native app. Qt and all that jazz. Just one that's been nerfed in the name of cloud. Certainly it's trending more towards "cloud based" features over the years. As for Linux support, Fusion was kept around despite never turning a profit because it was the CEO's pet project. To that end I'd expect that not supporting Linux was mostly a business decision. Technically I don't think there's a ton of institutional knowledge around Linux on the product teams. It's been well known internally that it makes an atrocious amount of RPC calls since the Carl Bass days. If I had to make a guess, I'd say that historically most of what you've seen with slow startup relates to authorization more than anything else. You could probably mitmproxy it if you really wanted to, the last time I checked they weren't doing any certificate pinning. Hell, at one point Little Snitch even wanted to know if I wanted to access a staging server.
neltnerb 3y ago
They definitely don't care, or at least Miguel got ignored. Fusion 360 is so slow and bloated it's an embarrassment on Windows. Takes minutes just to start. Loading it in VMware is a joke (my best computer is Ubuntu). I was willing to put up with it for doing 3D board renderings, but no. Not for actual work. I cannot open an app inside a badly written and slow program with excessive DRM with a subset of the features of the program I've used for 20 years. It's just not happening. I will switch to KiCAD first, it's not nearly as big and uninteresting a transition. If I made MCAD + ECAD stuff more, maybe, but seriously how many people do that. It's a dream. It's super cool when and if it works. It's like VR though. It has three real use cases -- checking interferences, shifting component positions to address interferences, and making accurate panel cutouts. That's all I've found. The first two are simply enough handled with IDF. Or a STP export from KiCAD which works fine. And a panel cutout can be addressed with a STP export too. It's cute, Fusion 360, in that it tries to be MCAD, ECAD, etc all in one place. It, like most things of that nature, does badly at all of them. Features should be optional, let me explore MCAD-ECAD integration when I decide it would be an advantage rather than because of software limitations.
- adql 3y ago
  I think there is tooling to load stuff from KiCad to FreeCAD, then you can take care of any mechanical stuff there. https://wiki.freecad.org/KicadStepUp_Workbench https://wiki.freecad.org/KicadStepUp_Workbench
  - neltnerb 3y ago
    Yeah, I used freecad to fix up a screwy stp model for one of the parts, it was confusing but sufficient for that for sure. Weird how hard it was to move a solid body to the origin though. If you meant in the other direction (and bidirectional) that looks good enough that I'd use it instead of Fusion in the I guess two situations it would come up -- creating a PCB outline from a larger model, or moving parts on the PCB to avoid interferences and have it show up in the layout software. Fusion 360 does do both of those. Easy is to just export stp from KiCAD which works great for most situations but I hope this tool gets added to the kicad startup window soon. We're already up to a schematic editor, layout editor, library editors, the best gerber viewer I know of (I have my coworkers install kicad just for the gerber viewer that I know is just gerbview but they use windows so this is way easier), and the calculator tool is amazing for calculating stripline impedances and RF attenuation and so on. A 3D tool that interfaces with the layout tool makes perfect sense to add. edit: As an option and a standalone program with an interface rather than a unitary blob like Fusion ;-)

genmud 3y ago

Yea, I have looked at F360 EDA and there are a lot of features that either are buggy as hell or just don't exist. I'm not sure that F360 is going to get much uptake from EEs until the software has had a few more years to bake and by then, most will likely have migrated to other tools.

sebazzz 3y ago

That Fusion 360 doesn't work on Linux is probably a business decision too, because it packs a lot of web tech. F360 isn't very far from a packaged web app.

inferiorhuman 3y ago
Fusion 360 is very much a native app. Qt and all that jazz. Just one that's been nerfed in the name of cloud. Certainly it's trending more towards "cloud based" features over the years. As for Linux support, Fusion was kept around despite never turning a profit because it was the CEO's pet project. To that end I'd expect that not supporting Linux was mostly a business decision. Technically I don't think there's a ton of institutional knowledge around Linux on the product teams. It's been well known internally that it makes an atrocious amount of RPC calls since the Carl Bass days. If I had to make a guess, I'd say that historically most of what you've seen with slow startup relates to authorization more than anything else. You could probably mitmproxy it if you really wanted to, the last time I checked they weren't doing any certificate pinning. Hell, at one point Little Snitch even wanted to know if I wanted to access a staging server.

neltnerb 3y ago

They definitely don't care, or at least Miguel got ignored. Fusion 360 is so slow and bloated it's an embarrassment on Windows. Takes minutes just to start. Loading it in VMware is a joke (my best computer is Ubuntu). I was willing to put up with it for doing 3D board renderings, but no. Not for actual work. I cannot open an app inside a badly written and slow program with excessive DRM with a subset of the features of the program I've used for 20 years. It's just not happening. I will switch to KiCAD first, it's not nearly as big and uninteresting a transition. If I made MCAD + ECAD stuff more, maybe, but seriously how many people do that. It's a dream. It's super cool when and if it works. It's like VR though. It has three real use cases -- checking interferences, shifting component positions to address interferences, and making accurate panel cutouts. That's all I've found. The first two are simply enough handled with IDF. Or a STP export from KiCAD which works fine. And a panel cutout can be addressed with a STP export too. It's cute, Fusion 360, in that it tries to be MCAD, ECAD, etc all in one place. It, like most things of that nature, does badly at all of them. Features should be optional, let me explore MCAD-ECAD integration when I decide it would be an advantage rather than because of software limitations.

adql 3y ago
I think there is tooling to load stuff from KiCad to FreeCAD, then you can take care of any mechanical stuff there. https://wiki.freecad.org/KicadStepUp_Workbench https://wiki.freecad.org/KicadStepUp_Workbench
- neltnerb 3y ago
  Yeah, I used freecad to fix up a screwy stp model for one of the parts, it was confusing but sufficient for that for sure. Weird how hard it was to move a solid body to the origin though. If you meant in the other direction (and bidirectional) that looks good enough that I'd use it instead of Fusion in the I guess two situations it would come up -- creating a PCB outline from a larger model, or moving parts on the PCB to avoid interferences and have it show up in the layout software. Fusion 360 does do both of those. Easy is to just export stp from KiCAD which works great for most situations but I hope this tool gets added to the kicad startup window soon. We're already up to a schematic editor, layout editor, library editors, the best gerber viewer I know of (I have my coworkers install kicad just for the gerber viewer that I know is just gerbview but they use windows so this is way easier), and the calculator tool is amazing for calculating stripline impedances and RF attenuation and so on. A 3D tool that interfaces with the layout tool makes perfect sense to add. edit: As an option and a standalone program with an interface rather than a unitary blob like Fusion ;-)