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> Claiming it's not is not the hill I'd choose to die on. Me either, also I'm for banning all flags in the workplace. But people who vastly generalize large s

by monksy 3y ago

> Claiming it's not is not the hill I'd choose to die on. Me either, also I'm for banning all flags in the workplace. But people who vastly generalize large swaths of the population in a negative light in an inaccurate manner is as bad. > Modern display of what most call the "confederate flag" (it isn't) rose to prominence in response to the civil rights movement. Growing up in the south the flag is used as an regional identification and lifestyle pride. (Mostly that you're a redneck, rebelious, you're going to own a pickup truck, like the idea of hardwork/farming, country music, etc). Making a claim that a race hate group has taken over the flag is pretty laughable. (About as much as the ok hand symbol being a "white nationalist flagging signal") My concern with your statement is that you're making claims here and I'm not seeing a lot of evidence from a sociological point of view to back them up. > many in the modern day display it out of ignorance, Ask them why they choose to display it, and what it means to them. You made a judgement call to say what it is and that they're ignorant for doing so.

Volundr 3y ago
> Growing up in the south the flag is used as an regional identification and lifestyle pride. I'm sure plenty of people believe this and it's why they choose to display it. It remains true it's display dramatically increased in response to the civil rights movement. It also remains true that the symbol they have chosen as a symbol of their "regional identification and lifestyle pride" is directly lifted from a group that fought a war of rebellion in order to continue their traditions of racism and slavery. That's a simple historical fact. The flag wasn't "taken over" by a race hate group. It was CREATED by a race hate group. Some may wish to take it back and use it for non-hateful purposes, but that's not an easy thing to do, and they have yet to succeed in divorcing it from it's original meaning.
krapp 3y ago
> Making a claim that a race hate group has taken over the flag is pretty laughable. I mean, it is literally the flag the South flew when they seceded from the Union in the name of white supremacy. The Southern states were very clear in their secession documents, as was Confederate Vice President Alexander Stephens when he said of the Confederate government "its foundations are laid, its corner-stone rests, upon the great truth that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery subordination to the superior race is his natural and normal condition." This isn't laughable, this is plain history. Southern culture is white supremacy, end stop. And I say this as a born and bred white Texan - that flag is a disgrace, and what it represents is a disgrace.
kthejoker2 3y ago
White dude, grew up in the heart of Texas, only people with Confederate flags are white supremacists. Knew plenty of kickers with oversized pickups and 4H stickers that didn't need to fly Dixie. Everybody who flies that flag knows what they're doing.
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by monksy 3y ago

Volundr 3y ago

> Growing up in the south the flag is used as an regional identification and lifestyle pride. I'm sure plenty of people believe this and it's why they choose to display it. It remains true it's display dramatically increased in response to the civil rights movement. It also remains true that the symbol they have chosen as a symbol of their "regional identification and lifestyle pride" is directly lifted from a group that fought a war of rebellion in order to continue their traditions of racism and slavery. That's a simple historical fact. The flag wasn't "taken over" by a race hate group. It was CREATED by a race hate group. Some may wish to take it back and use it for non-hateful purposes, but that's not an easy thing to do, and they have yet to succeed in divorcing it from it's original meaning.

krapp 3y ago

> Making a claim that a race hate group has taken over the flag is pretty laughable. I mean, it is literally the flag the South flew when they seceded from the Union in the name of white supremacy. The Southern states were very clear in their secession documents, as was Confederate Vice President Alexander Stephens when he said of the Confederate government "its foundations are laid, its corner-stone rests, upon the great truth that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery subordination to the superior race is his natural and normal condition." This isn't laughable, this is plain history. Southern culture is white supremacy, end stop. And I say this as a born and bred white Texan - that flag is a disgrace, and what it represents is a disgrace.

kthejoker2 3y ago

White dude, grew up in the heart of Texas, only people with Confederate flags are white supremacists. Knew plenty of kickers with oversized pickups and 4H stickers that didn't need to fly Dixie. Everybody who flies that flag knows what they're doing.

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