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Great opportunity for people to create derivative subreddits without oppressive mods.

distrill 3y ago
i feel like mod oppression isn't much an issue outside of the free speech absolutism rhetoric that plagues places like twitter. and tbh most of the people screeching about this aren't spending much time on reddit to begin with.
- seydor 3y ago
  mostly because they have been banned tbh
ranger207 3y ago
There's two problems with this: first, the new mods have a good chance of being just as bad as the old mods. Second, the new subs will not be able to use the good subreddit names and will be harder to find. The latter is core problem: discoverability. If it was possible to just found a new sub and have it show up just as clearly when you search for subs related to a particular topic, then if the mods turn out to be terrible there's not many problems in just starting a new sub. But as long as only one subreddit can have a particular name you can't solve that problem
- themagician 3y ago
  You’re right about the first part. For the second part—they should free up the names of mods protesting. Fun chaos, unpredictable outcome. I support.
kibwen 3y ago
What makes you think that new mods would be any less oppressive than old mods?
- seydor 3y ago
  Its statistically more likely than not replacing them. In democratic places they replace people for a reason
  - kibwen 3y ago
    Well, no, mods on Reddit aren't democratic in the slightest, it's a basic dictatorship where the topmost mod has all the power. And in a dictatorship the best you can hope for is a BDFL, but BDFLs arise when a community starts small (and thus doesn't attract malevolent dictators) and congeals around someone benevolent. You can't take a large community and appoint a new dictator, because it will overwhelmingly attract exactly the type of person who shouldn't be the dictator. In practice, this will likely result in more malevolent dictators, not fewer.
itairal 3y ago
Hopefully the whole thing implodes and we go back to specific message boards. HN would hardly be better if random people mostly interested in cooking or martial arts were putting in their two cents here. I really can't think of any subject that is better on Reddit than it was on an old message forum that was killed off by these giant platforms. Compare any subreddit about psytrance or trance music to the corpse of forum.isratrance.com. It isn't even close. The forum owner is also self interested to not be labeled oppressive. I can't think of any old forum I was ever on that had problems of oppressive moderation. That isratrance forum of course though doesn't scale to a few hundred million people and early investors getting rich.
- themagician 3y ago
  I wish. I 100% agree. Not just Reddit, but Facebook too. The days of phpBB and vBulletin are sadly over though. And while I know it’s still around, it’s not the same—I miss slashdot.
seydor 3y ago
Reddit makes it extremely hard for people to find alternative/small subreddits.
- Ekaros 3y ago
  This is where they could really come in. Automatically forward anyone who tries to access old one to new one. And they could even migrate the content already there. Win-Win. New community gets the boost they deserve and old one gets to stay dark.

i feel like mod oppression isn't much an issue outside of the free speech absolutism rhetoric that plagues places like twitter. and tbh most of the people screeching about this aren't spending much time on reddit to begin with.

seydor 3y ago
mostly because they have been banned tbh

ranger207 3y ago

There's two problems with this: first, the new mods have a good chance of being just as bad as the old mods. Second, the new subs will not be able to use the good subreddit names and will be harder to find. The latter is core problem: discoverability. If it was possible to just found a new sub and have it show up just as clearly when you search for subs related to a particular topic, then if the mods turn out to be terrible there's not many problems in just starting a new sub. But as long as only one subreddit can have a particular name you can't solve that problem

themagician 3y ago
You’re right about the first part. For the second part—they should free up the names of mods protesting. Fun chaos, unpredictable outcome. I support.

kibwen 3y ago

What makes you think that new mods would be any less oppressive than old mods?

seydor 3y ago
Its statistically more likely than not replacing them. In democratic places they replace people for a reason
- kibwen 3y ago
  Well, no, mods on Reddit aren't democratic in the slightest, it's a basic dictatorship where the topmost mod has all the power. And in a dictatorship the best you can hope for is a BDFL, but BDFLs arise when a community starts small (and thus doesn't attract malevolent dictators) and congeals around someone benevolent. You can't take a large community and appoint a new dictator, because it will overwhelmingly attract exactly the type of person who shouldn't be the dictator. In practice, this will likely result in more malevolent dictators, not fewer.

itairal 3y ago

Hopefully the whole thing implodes and we go back to specific message boards. HN would hardly be better if random people mostly interested in cooking or martial arts were putting in their two cents here. I really can't think of any subject that is better on Reddit than it was on an old message forum that was killed off by these giant platforms. Compare any subreddit about psytrance or trance music to the corpse of forum.isratrance.com. It isn't even close. The forum owner is also self interested to not be labeled oppressive. I can't think of any old forum I was ever on that had problems of oppressive moderation. That isratrance forum of course though doesn't scale to a few hundred million people and early investors getting rich.

themagician 3y ago
I wish. I 100% agree. Not just Reddit, but Facebook too. The days of phpBB and vBulletin are sadly over though. And while I know it’s still around, it’s not the same—I miss slashdot.

seydor 3y ago

Reddit makes it extremely hard for people to find alternative/small subreddits.

Ekaros 3y ago
This is where they could really come in. Automatically forward anyone who tries to access old one to new one. And they could even migrate the content already there. Win-Win. New community gets the boost they deserve and old one gets to stay dark.