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Do you know how it compares to using Visual Studio Code's debugger with notebooks? I'm wanting to find a notebook debugger recommendation for my students.

by mkl 3y ago

Xeamek 3y ago
Have you tried pyCharm? I believe even community (free) edition should have support You are looking for
- mkl 3y ago
  No I haven't, but it looks like the community edition can't do notebooks: https://www.jetbrains.com/help/pycharm/jupyter-notebook-support.html https://www.jetbrains.com/help/pycharm/jupyter-notebook-supp...
  - Xeamek 3y ago
    Ah, my bad then. If it's for student, you could maybe get educational license, that is completely free for all their products, but I imagine it could be quite a hassle
- qumpis 3y ago
  Pycharm's notebook debugger is top notch, but their notebook implementation is, imo, clunky and slow.
  - chthonicdaemon 3y ago
    Give it another shot if you haven't recently. I was a hardcore Jupyter Lab user and PyCharm pulled me away with their recent updates. Same hotkeys, good integrated tool support. The VS Code implementation of notebooks has too much vertical space for me.
    - qumpis 3y ago
      I'll try then! Last I remember they had some weird variable loading policy: even under small cell executions there'd be noticable delay before variables got 'refreshed', even when lazy loading was configured. Maybe only a problem on my end though.
aidos 3y ago
Is this in the context of students learning to code, or something else where they need to use the notebooks to supplement their study?
- mkl 3y ago
  Engineering students (not software) learning numerical methods, so doing programming themselves, but nothing very sophisticated. Their programming skills are mostly pretty limited so simpler is better. At the moment we use plain Jupyter notebooks, but a variable value explorer and simple debugger would be helpful. I want to avoid the (to them) bewildering complexity of an IDE.
animal_spirits 3y ago
The VSCode debugger works amazing with notebooks. I find it super useful all the time when I develop. Just install the Jupyter extensions and it should work
lozenge 3y ago
The debugging engine is the same. They both use debugpy 'via' the Jupyter wire connection.
qumpis 3y ago
Vscode's notebook is quite good (as good as you consider it to be in comparison to pycharm), but on my system it always exhibits bugs: 'random' need to rerun code multiple times for the debugger to recognize changes, not terminating debugging session when I stop it, freezing interactive debugger shell in the middle of a session, etc.

Do you know how it compares to using Visual Studio Code's debugger with notebooks? I'm wanting to find a notebook debugger recommendation for my students.

by mkl 3y ago

Do you know how it compares to using Visual Studio Code's debugger with notebooks? I'm wanting to find a notebook debugger recommendation for my students.

Xeamek 3y ago

Have you tried pyCharm? I believe even community (free) edition should have support You are looking for

mkl 3y ago
No I haven't, but it looks like the community edition can't do notebooks: https://www.jetbrains.com/help/pycharm/jupyter-notebook-support.html https://www.jetbrains.com/help/pycharm/jupyter-notebook-supp...
- Xeamek 3y ago
  Ah, my bad then. If it's for student, you could maybe get educational license, that is completely free for all their products, but I imagine it could be quite a hassle
qumpis 3y ago
Pycharm's notebook debugger is top notch, but their notebook implementation is, imo, clunky and slow.
- chthonicdaemon 3y ago
  Give it another shot if you haven't recently. I was a hardcore Jupyter Lab user and PyCharm pulled me away with their recent updates. Same hotkeys, good integrated tool support. The VS Code implementation of notebooks has too much vertical space for me.
  - qumpis 3y ago
    I'll try then! Last I remember they had some weird variable loading policy: even under small cell executions there'd be noticable delay before variables got 'refreshed', even when lazy loading was configured. Maybe only a problem on my end though.

aidos 3y ago

Is this in the context of students learning to code, or something else where they need to use the notebooks to supplement their study?

mkl 3y ago
Engineering students (not software) learning numerical methods, so doing programming themselves, but nothing very sophisticated. Their programming skills are mostly pretty limited so simpler is better. At the moment we use plain Jupyter notebooks, but a variable value explorer and simple debugger would be helpful. I want to avoid the (to them) bewildering complexity of an IDE.

animal_spirits 3y ago

The VSCode debugger works amazing with notebooks. I find it super useful all the time when I develop. Just install the Jupyter extensions and it should work

lozenge 3y ago

The debugging engine is the same. They both use debugpy 'via' the Jupyter wire connection.

qumpis 3y ago

Vscode's notebook is quite good (as good as you consider it to be in comparison to pycharm), but on my system it always exhibits bugs: 'random' need to rerun code multiple times for the debugger to recognize changes, not terminating debugging session when I stop it, freezing interactive debugger shell in the middle of a session, etc.