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We did, at least once.
by enord 3y ago
We did, at least once.
- meepmorp 3y agoNo, humans learn their languages through observation and generation - watching older people speak, and then imitating it. They get corrections, too, when they mispronounce or misuse words.
- squeaky-clean 3y agoThey mean at one point there were no older people to listen to in order to learn language because language did not exist yet. We somehow transitioned from grunts to words.
- enord 3y agoI didn’t say everyone learns it from scratch at least one, I said we did.
- meepmorp 3y agoThat's not learning, though, is it? Inventing, maybe, or developing or evolving.
- enord 3y agoWe either have the capacity to make boats and traverse the oceans or we don’t. These days almost nobody makes boats, but we sure used to and still can. What’s your point?
- meepmorp 3y agoI have no idea what you're talking about and it doesn't really matter to me anyway. Enjoy your day.
- CydeWeys 3y agoWhatever semantic game you want to play here isn't relevant; the point is it's something humans can do that AIs cannot.
- CydeWeys 3y agoYou've got a huge chicken and egg problem here that you haven't resolved.
- famouswaffles 3y agoThe brain is obviously pre-disposed to language. But evolution fueled learning is by no means from "thin air".
- enord 3y agoThat’s a red herring. Ex post facto the activity of language use as a construction must supersede some enaction by capable actors. This is a complete tautology in terms, and any dispute must therefore be over the ontology in which it is expressed. To elaborate how something came to be is not required to express that something is.
- famouswaffles 3y agoWhat makes capable actors capable in the first place is not derived from thin air. There's a reason a capable actor came to be where there was none generations prior. That reason did not come about without reaction to some outside vector. Evolution optimized for language learning abilities before the full capabilities came. Evolution is not thin air.
- enord 3y agoThe «air» is here an allegory for «large language corpus». It is self-evidently true that as we move backwards through history we eventually pass the first language utterance for any given definition of language or utterance. From here on out, the «air» is indeed «thin». There are still other things, but no «air» (i.e. «language corpora»).