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Wordcels think LLMs imitate the human brain, when a shape rotator knows they really just imitate human language.
by MrBuddyCasino 3y ago
Wordcels think LLMs imitate the human brain, when a shape rotator knows they really just imitate human language.
- steveBK123 3y agodoesn't this make LLM a dead end towards AGI and mostly just a neat specific trick?
- travisgriggs 3y agoA better and better parrot is still a parrot then? (I’m agreeing with you basically)
- adastra22 3y agoWhy do you think you are anything more?
- littlestymaar 3y agoWhy do you think you're anything more than a pocket calculator?
- adastra22 3y agoI don’t.
- AbrahamParangi 3y agoIn order to believe this, you'd need to be able to imagine a specific test of something that an LLM could not do under any circumstances. Previously, that test could have been something like "compose a novel sonnet on a topic". Today, it is much less clear that such a test (that won't be rapidly beaten) even exists.
- mLuby 3y agoHow about make new scientific discoveries?
- username332211 3y agoYou could use a Markov chain to generate poetry with rhyme and meter[1]. Granted, it wouldn't be a very good one, but that just makes an LLM a refinement to older probabilistic methods. As for something LLMs are unlikely to do under any circumstances, there's already a fairly obvious example. They can't keep a secret, hence prompt injections. [1] https://us.pycon.org/2020/schedule/presentation/112/ https://us.pycon.org/2020/schedule/presentation/112/
- AbrahamParangi 3y agoDo you really believe that an LLM that can keep a secret cannot be made? I suspect that we could do this trivially and the "LLMs can't keep a secret" is a specific product of finetuning for helpfulness.
- mcv 3y agoI think AGI is a questionable concept. We still don't have a good definition of what intelligence really is, and some people keep moving the goal posts. What we need is AI that fills specific needs we have.
- steveBK123 3y agoIf we simply AGI to be "general purpose AI", then my argument is - maybe the approach of LLMs works fine enough for textual generation, but it is not a path towards "general purpose AI".. and what we are going to have is different approaches for different niche use cases. I'm less convinced there's any unified solution for "general purpose AI" before us here.
- mcv 3y agoAnd I'm convinced we don't even want "general purpose AI". We want AI for a variety of specific purposes. Admittedly these LLMs are a lot broader than I ever imagined, but they're still limited to generating text. I wouldn't want ChatGPT to drive my car.
- vosper 3y agoWordcels? Shape rotator?
- guerrilla 3y agoThe Brave summmarizer says: > Wordcels are people who have high verbal intelligence and are good with words, but feel inadequately compensated for their skill. The term "cel" denotes frustration over being denied something they feel they deserve.1 Shape rotators are people with high visuospatial intelligence but low verbal intelligence, who have an intuition for technical problem-solving but are unable to account for themselves or apprehend historical context.2 The use of the terms has skyrocketed online in the past few months, especially in the last few days.0 The term "wordcel" is derived from incel and is used to describe someone who has high verbal intelligence but low "visuospatial" intelligence, whose facility for and love of complex abstraction leads them into rhetorical and political dead-ends.
- jrflowers 3y agoI love these new terms, can you elaborate on this?
- jwagenet 3y agohttps://www.vice.com/en/article/pkpqzb/ok-wtf-are-wordcels-and-shape-rotators# https://www.vice.com/en/article/pkpqzb/ok-wtf-are-wordcels-a...
- jrflowers 3y agoOh, that seems very stupid! Thanks!
- MrBuddyCasino 3y agoThe concept was popularized by roon, heres his official explanation (slightly ruining the joke): https://roonscape.ai/p/a-song-of-shapes-and-words https://roonscape.ai/p/a-song-of-shapes-and-words
- badrequest 3y agoThis sentence made me despise my own literacy.
- williamcotton 3y agoWouldn’t the wordcels be the Chomsky generative grammar supporters and the shape rotators the neuroscientists who support a statistical approach?