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I've felt the opposite. He's basically tried to have an argument in public to get people to turn against Reddit. His communication is no longer negotiation. It'

I've felt the opposite. He's basically tried to have an argument in public to get people to turn against Reddit. His communication is no longer negotiation. It's burn everything down with me because I've given up. I understand that Christian is in a really challenging place, but fighting with Spez in a public place is not the way to do it. It only encourages other developers to build a following that they attempt to leverage against Reddit.

kweingar 3y ago
> It only encourages other developers to build a following that they attempt to leverage against Reddit. Isn't that what the app developers and their users want?
hbn 3y ago
When he tried doing private negotiations they falsely spread accusations that Christian had been threatening them.
lukifer 3y ago
Negotiations aren’t based on pretty words; they’re based on leverage (BATNA). If both parties saw a win-win on API costs which can sustain 3PAs, we wouldn’t be in this situation. Once negotiation goes “hardball”, demonstrating leverage through something like a strike is part of the negotiation process. “It only encourages other developers to build a following that they attempt to leverage against Reddit.” This is a feature, not a bug. While Reddit has a substantial moat of momentum and content, the longer a strike goes on, the more users are incentivized to defect to Reddit clones (temporarily at first, but potentially the “new normal” as time goes on), and of course the apps can add support for these alternatives.
johnnyanmac 3y ago
>He's basically tried to have an argument in public to get people to turn against Reddit. if you weren't aware; this occurred in response to Spez basically slandering him in calls with mods, saying that Apollo was trying to blackmail Reddit. This caused dozens of mods to contact him and question his integrity. Spez shot first here. I don't think he wanted to be the ringleader of all this, but Spez's actions caused him to defend his very character, on top of all the other headaches of all these changes.

kweingar 3y ago

> It only encourages other developers to build a following that they attempt to leverage against Reddit. Isn't that what the app developers and their users want?

hbn 3y ago

When he tried doing private negotiations they falsely spread accusations that Christian had been threatening them.

lukifer 3y ago

Negotiations aren’t based on pretty words; they’re based on leverage (BATNA). If both parties saw a win-win on API costs which can sustain 3PAs, we wouldn’t be in this situation. Once negotiation goes “hardball”, demonstrating leverage through something like a strike is part of the negotiation process. “It only encourages other developers to build a following that they attempt to leverage against Reddit.” This is a feature, not a bug. While Reddit has a substantial moat of momentum and content, the longer a strike goes on, the more users are incentivized to defect to Reddit clones (temporarily at first, but potentially the “new normal” as time goes on), and of course the apps can add support for these alternatives.

johnnyanmac 3y ago

>He's basically tried to have an argument in public to get people to turn against Reddit. if you weren't aware; this occurred in response to Spez basically slandering him in calls with mods, saying that Apollo was trying to blackmail Reddit. This caused dozens of mods to contact him and question his integrity. Spez shot first here. I don't think he wanted to be the ringleader of all this, but Spez's actions caused him to defend his very character, on top of all the other headaches of all these changes.