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It's a win if you want to dedicate 50% of your city to roads and parking like LA does - a loss otherwise. YMMV

CydeWeys 3y ago
Many urban malls have no parking whatsoever. You get there by transit or walking. I think you're mistaking "mall" for "strip mall".
- onlyrealcuzzo 3y ago
  I think you're mistaking "urban mall" for "mall". At least in the US, the vast majority of "malls" include a massive belt of road around them for all the cars to get in & out, and a massive amount of parking, making walking and biking there or even transiting there unrealistic. Sure, you could have an "urban mall" with no parking, and that would be nice & pedestrian. But that's not the Westfield Malls in LA. Though, I'd imagine this would be illegal almost everywhere in the US due to parking minimums.
  - estebank 3y ago
    > Sure, you could have an "urban mall" with no parking, and that would be nice & pedestrian. But that's not the Westfield Malls in LA. But it is what Westfield SF is. https://www.google.com/maps/place/Westfield+San+Francisco+Centre/@37.7841178,-122.408966,17z/data=!3m2!4b1!5s0x808580867221f5e3:0xe8c76fea3a7bfc5e!4m6!3m5!1s0x80858085de1e33eb:0x1a31405067f79d69!8m2!3d37.7841178!4d-122.4063857!16zL20vMGJ6Ymx3?entry=ttu https://www.google.com/maps/place/Westfield+San+Francisco+Ce...
  - CydeWeys 3y ago
    Why are you talking about suburban malls in LA? That's not what this discussion is about.
    - onlyrealcuzzo 3y ago
      > All of Rick Caruso's malls in LA are, to be sure, probably profitable but terrible in terms of urban planning. That's the comment I was responding to.
ribosometronome 3y ago
It doesn't have to be that way. Singapore is essentially half city-state/half-mall and manages to avoid this problem pretty well.
xeromal 3y ago
I'm just saying the notion of a mall is conducive to urban life if it's designed right. I mean it in the simplest sense. Multiple businesses of many types of categories located in the same building. Parking or location isn't in my comment.

Many urban malls have no parking whatsoever. You get there by transit or walking. I think you're mistaking "mall" for "strip mall".

onlyrealcuzzo 3y ago
I think you're mistaking "urban mall" for "mall". At least in the US, the vast majority of "malls" include a massive belt of road around them for all the cars to get in & out, and a massive amount of parking, making walking and biking there or even transiting there unrealistic. Sure, you could have an "urban mall" with no parking, and that would be nice & pedestrian. But that's not the Westfield Malls in LA. Though, I'd imagine this would be illegal almost everywhere in the US due to parking minimums.
- estebank 3y ago
  > Sure, you could have an "urban mall" with no parking, and that would be nice & pedestrian. But that's not the Westfield Malls in LA. But it is what Westfield SF is. https://www.google.com/maps/place/Westfield+San+Francisco+Centre/@37.7841178,-122.408966,17z/data=!3m2!4b1!5s0x808580867221f5e3:0xe8c76fea3a7bfc5e!4m6!3m5!1s0x80858085de1e33eb:0x1a31405067f79d69!8m2!3d37.7841178!4d-122.4063857!16zL20vMGJ6Ymx3?entry=ttu https://www.google.com/maps/place/Westfield+San+Francisco+Ce...
- CydeWeys 3y ago
  Why are you talking about suburban malls in LA? That's not what this discussion is about.
  - onlyrealcuzzo 3y ago
    > All of Rick Caruso's malls in LA are, to be sure, probably profitable but terrible in terms of urban planning. That's the comment I was responding to.

ribosometronome 3y ago

It doesn't have to be that way. Singapore is essentially half city-state/half-mall and manages to avoid this problem pretty well.

xeromal 3y ago

I'm just saying the notion of a mall is conducive to urban life if it's designed right. I mean it in the simplest sense. Multiple businesses of many types of categories located in the same building. Parking or location isn't in my comment.