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That it's a false belief. One of two things happens in those cases: 1. That person is in some way sad regardless of what they profess, or 2. They have their o
by graeme 3y ago
That it's a false belief. One of two things happens in those cases:
1. That person is in some way sad regardless of what they profess, or
2. They have their own subgroup where they rate status according to the status rankings of the subgroup. This can include rejecting the status hierarchy of the mainstream, but this itself is a status play
With the internet this sub group can now be entirely online. But there does not exist such a thing as someone entirely insensitive to social status.
If you posit there is, can you name an example of such a person?
- another_story 3y agoNot OP, but I've known/taught autistic kids who would seem to fall under that umbrella.
- blueflow 3y agoYes, i could. Several coworkers. But due to their nature, they are largely invisible (they do not care about being seen, validated or represented) if you aren't seeing them in person. And i, myself, would probably also qualify.
- graeme 3y agoI meant more of a historical or public figure, where the claim could be assessed to some degree. Because "do not care" is internal and can only really be judged indirectly. Saying "I do not care" is one of those things where it can both genuinely be said or where it is a countersignal. The claim is NOT however "does this person care about the esteem of their coworkers" or "does this person care to be seen". Status can be had in other ways. For example, you work, you write on Hacker news, you have 3,000+ karma - no easy feat. One way of measuring status would be whether you were pleased or disappointed by someone's reaction to something you did. Either in person or virtually. Whether for work, a hobby, or for fun. This truly is not an experience you have?
- svnt 3y agoThis appears to be broadening the definition to avoid losing the contested point. Lobsters also have a sex drive, but not everything is sexual.
- blueflow 3y ago> For example, you work, you write on Hacker news, you have 3,000+ karma - no easy feat. I'm procrastinating because my dayjob is boring. Isn't this what all people on HN do? Edit: Implication, do you write for social status? You even have a bio and use your actual name. > One way of measuring status would be whether you were pleased or disappointed by someone's reaction to something you did. I laugh when i deliver some good burn. But that's not gaining social status, its just being mean.
- fellowniusmonk 3y agoIt's always weird to me when people cannot fathom that others think and operate differently, here we have an entire thread of people essentially insisting that social status _must_ matter to everyone. I'm on the spectrum and growing up I worked with special needs kids with my mother as she ran a non-profit focused on specials needs community. Let me tell you, some people are simply not cognizant of social status and there's a whole swath of people who are passingly aware but find it irrelevant to their life. Solitary creatures that go their own way exist in all kinds of highly social species. This thread feels akin to threads you occasionally see where a bunch of selfish people insist altruistic acts _cannot_ exist. Their insistent claims against the possibility of altruistic acts only reveal their internal state, they aren't high quality arguments, just assumptive assertions by people who can't imagine alternate mental states. Some people just want to spend their lonely numbered days free.
- FalconSensei 3y ago> Several coworkers. But due to their nature, they are largely invisible (they do not care about being seen, validated or represented) if you aren't seeing them in person. They might be getting their share of social status validation on groups/subgroups outside work. They can also think that by saying they don't care, this makes them above the rest - which is a social validation
- blueflow 3y agoYou are indirectly arguing that chasing social status is the norm, and my coworkers are no exceptions, just somehow hiding it. Maybe the social status chasers were the odd ones all along. They would surely hate that thought.
- FalconSensei 3y agoMaybe it's not the case of your co-workers, but it's an example. And I've seem groups where 'not-conforming to the norm' was seem as being superior, so people would say they don't care about social status, but as a way to feel superior and connect to those people that also say they don't care about social status. Positioning themselves as not being a 'normie' It might be that they truly don't care, but on the other hand, for someone that don't care, they put too much importance on not-caring which is... odd.
- blueflow 3y agoI never wrote that they put importance to it. I don't know because they said it, i know because i observe my peers.
- psychomugs 3y agoSounds project-y.