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These agencies completely failed to prevent every school shooting in the last decade. These are not impressive people.

uoaei 3y ago
Bombings, public shootings, etc., too. In some cases, they even furnished the assailants with their weapons and encouraged them to refine their plans and follow through on them.
- CyberDildonics 3y ago
  That's a pretty heavy accusation, do you have a source or any evidence for why you believe that?
shadowgovt 3y ago
I'm sure they would have dozens of (law-violating) suggestions on how to improve their access to firearm acquisition patterns and online activity to enable them to prevent more school shootings.
FormerBandmate 3y ago
How would you prevent every school shooting without literally going through everyone's private communications? They're not criminal conspiracies or even planned, they're some guy using a gun to shoot people at a school. This is America, tons of people are buying ungodly amounts of guns and ammo right now. Only like 0.1% of them will ever shoot up a school (95% of them will just use it on deer and shooting ranges, and 5% will either kill themselves or have it stolen by criminals who will use it for carjackings), and courts will strike down the FBI going after people for buying ammo
- 908B64B197 3y ago
  > without literally going through everyone's private communications? Most shooters had mental issues that went ignored or were swept under the rug by the adults that were supposed to help. > Only like 0.1% of them will ever shoot up a school This is still at least two orders of magnitude larger than the real number. It's what the people who wants to take legally-owned firearms away want to the public to think.
- jimbob45 3y ago
  How would you prevent every school shooting without literally going through everyone's private communications? What if I told you that the NSA has been doing that for the last 20 years?[0] [0]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Room_641A https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Room_641A
  - FormerBandmate 3y ago
    They aren't allowed to operate on US soil, and even when they do, they definitely aren't capable of going after individual school shooters
    - infamouscow 3y ago
      What exactly are these agencies doing if they can't even succeed at stopping the quintessential textbook case of a bad person doing a bad thing?
      - omniglottal 3y ago
        They're doing the bad things
    - vuln 3y ago
      Right _on US soil_ so they go an inch over the border and tap there. US laws don’t matter.
janalsncm 3y ago
A much better way to prevent most school shootings (which preserves far more civil rights imo) would be to harden schools as targets. If we’re going to live in a society where anyone can buy a machine gun it’s insanity that it hasn’t been done already. Add thicker doors. Remove entrances. Add metal detectors. Guard those doors. It’s not foolproof but if shooters start getting stopped at the entrance maybe kids can stop being slaughtered.
- worik 3y ago
  Perhaps stop selling machine guns and pistols to teenagers? Fortifying schools. OMG. Where is this coming from? Where's it going?
  - janalsncm 3y ago
    The first thing has been tried. Unfortunately lobbying has made sane gun regulation effectively impossible. So if we want kids to stop dying in schools we need a better way.
    - worik 3y ago
      > So if we want kids to stop dying in schools It is almost as if that is an acceptable price to pay, to some. For what,exactly?
      - CatWChainsaw 3y ago
        >It is almost as if that is an acceptable price to pay, to some. It is an acceptable price for some people. You just have to look at the sheer number of shootings. We have more mass shootings than calendar days in a year in the US. This is normal. This is how things should be. >For what,exactly? The right to keep whatever guns they want in whatever quantity. They value that more than actual humans. But given which crowd is noisier about their gun enthusiasm and fascist tendencies of dehumanizing everyone who isn't WASP, that shouldn't come as a surprise.

Bombings, public shootings, etc., too. In some cases, they even furnished the assailants with their weapons and encouraged them to refine their plans and follow through on them.

CyberDildonics 3y ago
That's a pretty heavy accusation, do you have a source or any evidence for why you believe that?

shadowgovt 3y ago

I'm sure they would have dozens of (law-violating) suggestions on how to improve their access to firearm acquisition patterns and online activity to enable them to prevent more school shootings.

FormerBandmate 3y ago

How would you prevent every school shooting without literally going through everyone's private communications? They're not criminal conspiracies or even planned, they're some guy using a gun to shoot people at a school. This is America, tons of people are buying ungodly amounts of guns and ammo right now. Only like 0.1% of them will ever shoot up a school (95% of them will just use it on deer and shooting ranges, and 5% will either kill themselves or have it stolen by criminals who will use it for carjackings), and courts will strike down the FBI going after people for buying ammo

908B64B197 3y ago
> without literally going through everyone's private communications? Most shooters had mental issues that went ignored or were swept under the rug by the adults that were supposed to help. > Only like 0.1% of them will ever shoot up a school This is still at least two orders of magnitude larger than the real number. It's what the people who wants to take legally-owned firearms away want to the public to think.
jimbob45 3y ago
How would you prevent every school shooting without literally going through everyone's private communications? What if I told you that the NSA has been doing that for the last 20 years?[0] [0]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Room_641A https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Room_641A
- FormerBandmate 3y ago
  They aren't allowed to operate on US soil, and even when they do, they definitely aren't capable of going after individual school shooters
  - infamouscow 3y ago
    What exactly are these agencies doing if they can't even succeed at stopping the quintessential textbook case of a bad person doing a bad thing?
    - omniglottal 3y ago
      They're doing the bad things
  - vuln 3y ago
    Right _on US soil_ so they go an inch over the border and tap there. US laws don’t matter.

janalsncm 3y ago

A much better way to prevent most school shootings (which preserves far more civil rights imo) would be to harden schools as targets. If we’re going to live in a society where anyone can buy a machine gun it’s insanity that it hasn’t been done already. Add thicker doors. Remove entrances. Add metal detectors. Guard those doors. It’s not foolproof but if shooters start getting stopped at the entrance maybe kids can stop being slaughtered.

worik 3y ago
Perhaps stop selling machine guns and pistols to teenagers? Fortifying schools. OMG. Where is this coming from? Where's it going?
- janalsncm 3y ago
  The first thing has been tried. Unfortunately lobbying has made sane gun regulation effectively impossible. So if we want kids to stop dying in schools we need a better way.
  - worik 3y ago
    > So if we want kids to stop dying in schools It is almost as if that is an acceptable price to pay, to some. For what,exactly?
    - CatWChainsaw 3y ago
      >It is almost as if that is an acceptable price to pay, to some. It is an acceptable price for some people. You just have to look at the sheer number of shootings. We have more mass shootings than calendar days in a year in the US. This is normal. This is how things should be. >For what,exactly? The right to keep whatever guns they want in whatever quantity. They value that more than actual humans. But given which crowd is noisier about their gun enthusiasm and fascist tendencies of dehumanizing everyone who isn't WASP, that shouldn't come as a surprise.