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Not to mention a massive carbon footprint by the sounds of it

by kiliantics 3y ago

scarface_74 3y ago
Yes, I’m sure the plane wouldn’t fly if I weren’t on it…
- bmoxb 3y ago
  On an individual-level then sure, but less people buying flight tickets will obviously lead to airlines eventually running less flights.
  - scarface_74 3y ago
    It’s even more nuanced. Airlines don’t make money on main cabin for the most part. They make money from business class https://www.zippia.com/advice/business-travel-statistics/ https://www.zippia.com/advice/business-travel-statistics/ and selling miles to credit card companies. https://airlinegeeks.com/2021/12/17/here-s-why-airline-loyalty-programs-are-profit-machines/ https://airlinegeeks.com/2021/12/17/here-s-why-airline-loyal... If main cabin dropped by half, they would still fly the routes.
    - antisthenes 3y ago
      > It’s even more nuanced. Airlines don’t make money on main cabin for the most part. They make money from business class No, it's not. Where they make their money is completely orthogonal to how demand for flights is generated. All passengers generate flight demand, so yes, they are just as responsible for CO2 emissions as the airline (you can argue about the proportions and degrees, but they still are) The airline is additionally responsible by not pricing in externality costs of CO2 emissions.
      - scarface_74 3y ago
        That’s just the thing, if main cabin demand went down, the airlines would just increase the prices of the price insensitive business travelers using other peoples money. When I fly personally, I’m much more price sensitive than when I’m booking travel in the travel portal for my trillion dollar market cap employer who is flying me out to see a client to work on a deal. I’ve flown out with a couple of days notice plenty of times at prices I would never pay personally. If every single none business traveler stopped flying from SEA, I can guarantee you that they wouldn’t cut flights drastically. There is a reason that the SEA airport has a special line for check in for Amazon and Microsoft.

Not to mention a massive carbon footprint by the sounds of it

scarface_74 3y ago

Yes, I’m sure the plane wouldn’t fly if I weren’t on it…

bmoxb 3y ago
On an individual-level then sure, but less people buying flight tickets will obviously lead to airlines eventually running less flights.
- scarface_74 3y ago
  It’s even more nuanced. Airlines don’t make money on main cabin for the most part. They make money from business class https://www.zippia.com/advice/business-travel-statistics/ https://www.zippia.com/advice/business-travel-statistics/ and selling miles to credit card companies. https://airlinegeeks.com/2021/12/17/here-s-why-airline-loyalty-programs-are-profit-machines/ https://airlinegeeks.com/2021/12/17/here-s-why-airline-loyal... If main cabin dropped by half, they would still fly the routes.
  - antisthenes 3y ago
    > It’s even more nuanced. Airlines don’t make money on main cabin for the most part. They make money from business class No, it's not. Where they make their money is completely orthogonal to how demand for flights is generated. All passengers generate flight demand, so yes, they are just as responsible for CO2 emissions as the airline (you can argue about the proportions and degrees, but they still are) The airline is additionally responsible by not pricing in externality costs of CO2 emissions.
    - scarface_74 3y ago
      That’s just the thing, if main cabin demand went down, the airlines would just increase the prices of the price insensitive business travelers using other peoples money. When I fly personally, I’m much more price sensitive than when I’m booking travel in the travel portal for my trillion dollar market cap employer who is flying me out to see a client to work on a deal. I’ve flown out with a couple of days notice plenty of times at prices I would never pay personally. If every single none business traveler stopped flying from SEA, I can guarantee you that they wouldn’t cut flights drastically. There is a reason that the SEA airport has a special line for check in for Amazon and Microsoft.