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I think that's the whole point of this system, when you have infinite tags it's impossible to maintain a correct taxonomy, you add #great-graphics to this game,

I think that's the whole point of this system, when you have infinite tags it's impossible to maintain a correct taxonomy, you add #great-graphics to this game, but now you have to backfill it to all other games, or in the future you may miss them. They created this so the hierarchy is unambiguous (as much as possible), you want a document, you are two steps away from it in an easy to find way. tag systems have far too much maintenance and adding a new tag is almost impossible to do exhaustively so you have a lot of partial tags.

cjbprime 3y ago
> you want a document, you are two steps away from it in an easy to find way This isn't a response to the parent commenter's point, right? They were describing how many projects have items where a resource easily fits within the scope of N different categories, at which point they become max N steps away from it, not max 2 steps.
- horsawlarway 3y ago
  Two thoughts: 1. This is much, much less likely with the enforced limits on categorization in the post. 2. No - you are still 2 steps away. Make a choice about where that item lives. If it's shared across many categories, maybe you really need a distinct category like "Ambiguous" or "Shared"
  - albedoa 3y ago
    > No - you are still 2 steps away. Make a choice about where that item lives. You misunderstand. The max N steps are at the point of recall, not categorization decision.
majkinetor 3y ago
#great-graphichs problem is not something category based system will solve either, as you have the same problem. Nothing will, to be honest, maybe AI eventually and even it can't do it in all the things. > you want a document, you are two steps away from it in an easy to find way This is not how people work in general. This kind of thing might be OK for institution for taxonomy like collections.
chaxor 3y ago
This is a great point about tag maintenance *if you have to make the tags yourself*. However, if you have a simple ML system that you can run to categorize your files and pull out good single word descriptors that have a large explained variance over your files, you can run this and check the tags that are constructed. I think there's a good way forward that uses typical hierarchical Johnny.Decimal filesystems, with an overlay filesystem with tags that can update the tags every so often based on the content in the files. Obviously letting the user have a hand in this via a TUI/gui would be helpful for choosing tags for which they're comfortable. Unfortunately I haven't settled on a good filesystem with tags (how to do this with ZFS?) or how to interact with it as a network filesystem served to many different OS (cifs with tags?).
- esperent 3y ago
  > However, if you have a simple ML system Or the old-school method, a community of people with tagging powers and a few moderators to do sanity checks.
- MarceColl 3y ago
  It doesn't seem to me like a simple ML system, it needs to be able to extract tags from all kinds of filetypes (video, games, images, assets, text, ...), at a decent speed and then it has to assign tags to what you would also assign, because if it doesn't do that then it's even worse, because you can never find anything as your mapping and the ML mapping would not be the same.

cjbprime 3y ago

> you want a document, you are two steps away from it in an easy to find way This isn't a response to the parent commenter's point, right? They were describing how many projects have items where a resource easily fits within the scope of N different categories, at which point they become max N steps away from it, not max 2 steps.

horsawlarway 3y ago
Two thoughts: 1. This is much, much less likely with the enforced limits on categorization in the post. 2. No - you are still 2 steps away. Make a choice about where that item lives. If it's shared across many categories, maybe you really need a distinct category like "Ambiguous" or "Shared"
- albedoa 3y ago
  > No - you are still 2 steps away. Make a choice about where that item lives. You misunderstand. The max N steps are at the point of recall, not categorization decision.

majkinetor 3y ago

#great-graphichs problem is not something category based system will solve either, as you have the same problem. Nothing will, to be honest, maybe AI eventually and even it can't do it in all the things. > you want a document, you are two steps away from it in an easy to find way This is not how people work in general. This kind of thing might be OK for institution for taxonomy like collections.

chaxor 3y ago

This is a great point about tag maintenance *if you have to make the tags yourself*. However, if you have a simple ML system that you can run to categorize your files and pull out good single word descriptors that have a large explained variance over your files, you can run this and check the tags that are constructed. I think there's a good way forward that uses typical hierarchical Johnny.Decimal filesystems, with an overlay filesystem with tags that can update the tags every so often based on the content in the files. Obviously letting the user have a hand in this via a TUI/gui would be helpful for choosing tags for which they're comfortable. Unfortunately I haven't settled on a good filesystem with tags (how to do this with ZFS?) or how to interact with it as a network filesystem served to many different OS (cifs with tags?).

esperent 3y ago
> However, if you have a simple ML system Or the old-school method, a community of people with tagging powers and a few moderators to do sanity checks.
MarceColl 3y ago
It doesn't seem to me like a simple ML system, it needs to be able to extract tags from all kinds of filetypes (video, games, images, assets, text, ...), at a decent speed and then it has to assign tags to what you would also assign, because if it doesn't do that then it's even worse, because you can never find anything as your mapping and the ML mapping would not be the same.