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"Technology will save us" is wishful thinking that led to the current global warming situation. It's just a terrible excuse to keep burning gas, emit stupid amo

"Technology will save us" is wishful thinking that led to the current global warming situation. It's just a terrible excuse to keep burning gas, emit stupid amounts of CO2 in the atmosphere, or to import your electricity from countries that keep emitting.

dale_glass 3y ago
Guess what alternatives to burning gas are? Technology. Solar and wind and storage don't happen by magic.
- ohgodplsno 3y ago
  Cool. I guess we'll keep emitting 600g eqCO2/kWh burning "green" gas for twenty years while we wait for solar to work at night, wind to blow all the time and storage to catch up, all while emitting massive amounts to build those technologies. We definitely have the time to wait for technology to save us. Fusion is right around the corner too, right?
  - dale_glass 3y ago
    I don't advocate for waiting for it, but for funding it, using it, and building it. Like say, if you want to reduce consumption, that's technology too. LED lighting is pretty new, but far more efficient than incandescent.
ephbit 3y ago
Agree. Your thinking appears to align pretty much with the messages of this podcast (not only this episode). In case you don't know it already, you may well find it interesting, never mind the esoteric sounding name: https://thegreatsimplification.libsyn.com/electric-vehicles-arthur-berman-simon-michaux-pedro-prieto-reality-roundtable-01 https://thegreatsimplification.libsyn.com/electric-vehicles-... Degrowth aka massive reduction of consumption of basically everything would be the only solution, but it's not going to happen. The sad part is that all the irrational optimism from the renewable energy proponents/lobby is a significant contributor to preventing more people from realizing this. Which in turn will mostly prevent politics from trying to enact the necessary policies.
- ephbit 3y ago
  The link somehow had a redirect to just the overview. Here's an actual link to the interesting episode: https://www.thegreatsimplification.com/episode/rr01-berman-michaux-prieto https://www.thegreatsimplification.com/episode/rr01-berman-m...

dale_glass 3y ago

Guess what alternatives to burning gas are? Technology. Solar and wind and storage don't happen by magic.

ohgodplsno 3y ago
Cool. I guess we'll keep emitting 600g eqCO2/kWh burning "green" gas for twenty years while we wait for solar to work at night, wind to blow all the time and storage to catch up, all while emitting massive amounts to build those technologies. We definitely have the time to wait for technology to save us. Fusion is right around the corner too, right?
- dale_glass 3y ago
  I don't advocate for waiting for it, but for funding it, using it, and building it. Like say, if you want to reduce consumption, that's technology too. LED lighting is pretty new, but far more efficient than incandescent.

ephbit 3y ago

Agree. Your thinking appears to align pretty much with the messages of this podcast (not only this episode). In case you don't know it already, you may well find it interesting, never mind the esoteric sounding name: https://thegreatsimplification.libsyn.com/electric-vehicles-arthur-berman-simon-michaux-pedro-prieto-reality-roundtable-01 https://thegreatsimplification.libsyn.com/electric-vehicles-... Degrowth aka massive reduction of consumption of basically everything would be the only solution, but it's not going to happen. The sad part is that all the irrational optimism from the renewable energy proponents/lobby is a significant contributor to preventing more people from realizing this. Which in turn will mostly prevent politics from trying to enact the necessary policies.

ephbit 3y ago
The link somehow had a redirect to just the overview. Here's an actual link to the interesting episode: https://www.thegreatsimplification.com/episode/rr01-berman-michaux-prieto https://www.thegreatsimplification.com/episode/rr01-berman-m...