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I believe americans are obsessed with status as some sort of social marketplace. But it seems that technological societies place less of importance on status. A

by seydor 3y ago

I believe americans are obsessed with status as some sort of social marketplace. But it seems that technological societies place less of importance on status. Apart from business CEOs, and academics (where status is mandatory for survival), most technologists don't appear to be obsessed with status. People go about with nicknames, you rarely see "credits" pages in applications, and most of the world's best engineers are not known outside their small circle. The most socialist societies seem to place a lot of emphasis on the process and less on status , making people interchangeable As for whether social status increases number of offspring in today's world, please show me the data to support this instead of making wild extrapolations from thousands of years ago.

heresie-dabord 3y ago
Status is a force-multiplier. It's a mix of credibility and financial resources. Warren Buffet has status. Bill Gates has status. Elon Musk has status and money but has been told to stop squandering his credibility on side-shows. Bernie Madoff had credibility and other people's money. Elizabeth Holmes worked the room to acquire credibility in the hope of gathering enough money to somehow make lies become legitimate. Donald Trump self-proclaims his status.
- seydor 3y ago
  Most of those people got their status after winning in other ways, except Madoff and Holmes and we know how that ended. Interesting that you call it "self-proclaimed", when he s the only person in the list who relied on his status to climb to the top post of the world. Whether it's a force-multiplier depends a lot on the context. In an army, status determines the chain of command absolutely. In modern startups, their doors are revolving and Commanders don't have a lot of leverage except transactionally (i.e. by paying more)
  - heresie-dabord 3y ago
    I agree that he is an interesting case (to say the least). But much of his bravado is "self-proclaiming". As a politician, he tried a couple of times before he was able to parlay his claims into a large following. Then with this support, he parlayed himself into the top status position in US politics. His commitment to intellectual enlightenment and integrity being unmistakably dubious, what seems to bother him the most following the loss of the election in 2020 is the loss of status.

by seydor 3y ago

heresie-dabord 3y ago

Status is a force-multiplier. It's a mix of credibility and financial resources. Warren Buffet has status. Bill Gates has status. Elon Musk has status and money but has been told to stop squandering his credibility on side-shows. Bernie Madoff had credibility and other people's money. Elizabeth Holmes worked the room to acquire credibility in the hope of gathering enough money to somehow make lies become legitimate. Donald Trump self-proclaims his status.

seydor 3y ago
Most of those people got their status after winning in other ways, except Madoff and Holmes and we know how that ended. Interesting that you call it "self-proclaimed", when he s the only person in the list who relied on his status to climb to the top post of the world. Whether it's a force-multiplier depends a lot on the context. In an army, status determines the chain of command absolutely. In modern startups, their doors are revolving and Commanders don't have a lot of leverage except transactionally (i.e. by paying more)
- heresie-dabord 3y ago
  I agree that he is an interesting case (to say the least). But much of his bravado is "self-proclaiming". As a politician, he tried a couple of times before he was able to parlay his claims into a large following. Then with this support, he parlayed himself into the top status position in US politics. His commitment to intellectual enlightenment and integrity being unmistakably dubious, what seems to bother him the most following the loss of the election in 2020 is the loss of status.