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There is a big difference between drugs like alcohol and nicotine, which are extremely addicting and something like MDMA, which isn’t.

ztrww 3y ago
people don’t get lung cancer because of nicotine.
jona-f 3y ago
I'm very supportive of decriminalization of drug use, but calling MDMA not "extremely addicting" is just false and irresponsible. The first experience is especially great, so people usually start chasing after it. At least in a club setting. Of course there is a learning curve and most people get that you can have a profound experience only maybe once or twice a year.
- pantalaimon 3y ago
  I think it’s different being 'addicted' to taking MDMA when in a club setting than other drugs where people addicted to them take them every day. MDMA is much too intense of an experience to integrate into the daily life of most people and there isn’t really a craving to take more once it has worn off.
- Ingaz 3y ago
  More than that: MDMA is kind of "anti-addictive" drug. You try it first and feel that "MDMA magic". You try it again and yes, you still feel something pleasant but the magic is lost. Most probably forever. I heard it many times and experienced myself. In my late 20s MDMA did something wonderful for me. It was like going from BW interlaced 320p to TrueColor 4K. But it was 3-5 times most. Every 2-3 years I tried again but no luck
nashashmi 3y ago
Addiction should not be a factor in judging which drugs are harmful and which are not. If a drug intoxicates you, then it is bad.
- amanaplanacanal 3y ago
  Love is very intoxicating.
- LocalH 3y ago
  This type of reductionist, binary thinking is not productive. Especially since there is no single standard for "intoxication". Case in point - I have smoked cannabis for close to thirty years at this point. I was also diagnosed with ADD (now usually referred to as ADHD) at the age of eight. Cannabis doesn't really intoxicate me at all at normal, common doses when smoked. If anything, it increases my focus control and helps me stay alert, especially with a strain that tends to have more THC than CBD. However, I also personally know people who could take two hits from the exact same weed and be completely out of it. When the range of effects are so wide, how can you even begin to have an objective standard? Either you set the threshold too low, and people like me are considered legally "intoxicated" despite the additional alertness, or you set the threshold too high and you have people who are not considered legally "intoxicated" but are out of their mind.
- andelink 3y ago
  You’re demonstrating absolutely zero critical thinking. Even if we put aside any health benefits (mental or otherwise) of a drug that also can be said to intoxicate you, what is inherently wrong with intoxication?
  - nashashmi 3y ago
    > what is inherently wrong with intoxication? Permanent reduction of brain cells? Accidents? Disproductivity? Of course you would try to stretch that effect on to lots of causes. And then argue for the same treatment to those elements. But you got to know that is a logical fallacy.
    - Gud 3y ago
      A drug that’s intoxicating doesn’t necessarily have those traits. I would argue the opposite, in many cases
    - 3y ago

ztrww 3y ago

people don’t get lung cancer because of nicotine.

jona-f 3y ago

I'm very supportive of decriminalization of drug use, but calling MDMA not "extremely addicting" is just false and irresponsible. The first experience is especially great, so people usually start chasing after it. At least in a club setting. Of course there is a learning curve and most people get that you can have a profound experience only maybe once or twice a year.

pantalaimon 3y ago
I think it’s different being 'addicted' to taking MDMA when in a club setting than other drugs where people addicted to them take them every day. MDMA is much too intense of an experience to integrate into the daily life of most people and there isn’t really a craving to take more once it has worn off.
Ingaz 3y ago
More than that: MDMA is kind of "anti-addictive" drug. You try it first and feel that "MDMA magic". You try it again and yes, you still feel something pleasant but the magic is lost. Most probably forever. I heard it many times and experienced myself. In my late 20s MDMA did something wonderful for me. It was like going from BW interlaced 320p to TrueColor 4K. But it was 3-5 times most. Every 2-3 years I tried again but no luck

nashashmi 3y ago

Addiction should not be a factor in judging which drugs are harmful and which are not. If a drug intoxicates you, then it is bad.

amanaplanacanal 3y ago
Love is very intoxicating.
LocalH 3y ago
This type of reductionist, binary thinking is not productive. Especially since there is no single standard for "intoxication". Case in point - I have smoked cannabis for close to thirty years at this point. I was also diagnosed with ADD (now usually referred to as ADHD) at the age of eight. Cannabis doesn't really intoxicate me at all at normal, common doses when smoked. If anything, it increases my focus control and helps me stay alert, especially with a strain that tends to have more THC than CBD. However, I also personally know people who could take two hits from the exact same weed and be completely out of it. When the range of effects are so wide, how can you even begin to have an objective standard? Either you set the threshold too low, and people like me are considered legally "intoxicated" despite the additional alertness, or you set the threshold too high and you have people who are not considered legally "intoxicated" but are out of their mind.
andelink 3y ago
You’re demonstrating absolutely zero critical thinking. Even if we put aside any health benefits (mental or otherwise) of a drug that also can be said to intoxicate you, what is inherently wrong with intoxication?
- nashashmi 3y ago
  > what is inherently wrong with intoxication? Permanent reduction of brain cells? Accidents? Disproductivity? Of course you would try to stretch that effect on to lots of causes. And then argue for the same treatment to those elements. But you got to know that is a logical fallacy.
  - Gud 3y ago
    A drug that’s intoxicating doesn’t necessarily have those traits. I would argue the opposite, in many cases
  - 3y ago