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Ah, a variant on good old fanatical christian trope that suffering is good, helps get through purgatory blah blah blah. 'Mother' Teresa would vehemently agree w

Ah, a variant on good old fanatical christian trope that suffering is good, helps get through purgatory blah blah blah. 'Mother' Teresa would vehemently agree with you. How can you gauge other people's suffering? It can easily be completely crippling, not unlike extreme poverty is so stressful that it effectively blocks people from working themselves out of it. I am not just bashing you, I went through something similar, the worst breakup in my life was the motivation for me to start working out in the gym, lean even more on cool extreme sports, start running etc. But I know people in similar situation that simply couldn't move, stuck in vicious circle of self-pity, grief, self-harm in various ways, and more regrets. What we should do as society be tolerant, humble and accept that nobody, especially politicians with actual power know everything. Give people tools, explain or even guide them, be helpful, give a hand if needed, but otherwise let people be. You can't protect stupid from their own stupidity anyway, not through regulation.

jojobas 3y ago
>Ah, a variant on good old fanatical christian trope that suffering is good, helps get through purgatory blah blah blah. You couldn't be further from truth. Suffering sucks, trying to quench it with booze and opiates increases suffering in the long game (perhaps except acute pain right after severe injury, surgery or some such). > How can you gauge other people's suffering? Corresponding professionals developed meaningful tools to measure both physical pain and mental distress. >It can easily be completely crippling, not unlike extreme poverty is so stressful that it effectively blocks people from working themselves out of it. Fair enough. You being unhappy with my comment however suggests that drinking and doping helps these people in any way. >I am not just bashing you, I went through something similar, the worst breakup in my life was the motivation for me to start working out in the gym, lean even more on cool extreme sports, start running etc. Good on you. >But I know people in similar situation that simply couldn't move, stuck in vicious circle of self-pity, grief, self-harm in various ways, and more regrets. What does that prove? Would you recommend that they drink or dope? >What we should do as society be tolerant, humble and accept that nobody, especially politicians with actual power know everything. Sure should. We also should be blunt about things we do know, such as that alcohol and opiates do not help against poverty, depression, loneliness and pretty much any other adverse condition - this is what I wrote earlier and I don't understand why you'd object to that. >You can't protect stupid from their own stupidity anyway, not through regulation. Yes you can, at least you can prevent the kind of stuff going on in China around Opium Wars. (And don't you dare pull Rat Park on me).
refurb 3y ago
Not sure why you singled out Christianity. Suffering is a pretty common theme in the major religions. Hell, in Buddhism it's a core theme. And religion or not, it's undeniable that suffering is a part of the human experience.

jojobas 3y ago

>Ah, a variant on good old fanatical christian trope that suffering is good, helps get through purgatory blah blah blah. You couldn't be further from truth. Suffering sucks, trying to quench it with booze and opiates increases suffering in the long game (perhaps except acute pain right after severe injury, surgery or some such). > How can you gauge other people's suffering? Corresponding professionals developed meaningful tools to measure both physical pain and mental distress. >It can easily be completely crippling, not unlike extreme poverty is so stressful that it effectively blocks people from working themselves out of it. Fair enough. You being unhappy with my comment however suggests that drinking and doping helps these people in any way. >I am not just bashing you, I went through something similar, the worst breakup in my life was the motivation for me to start working out in the gym, lean even more on cool extreme sports, start running etc. Good on you. >But I know people in similar situation that simply couldn't move, stuck in vicious circle of self-pity, grief, self-harm in various ways, and more regrets. What does that prove? Would you recommend that they drink or dope? >What we should do as society be tolerant, humble and accept that nobody, especially politicians with actual power know everything. Sure should. We also should be blunt about things we do know, such as that alcohol and opiates do not help against poverty, depression, loneliness and pretty much any other adverse condition - this is what I wrote earlier and I don't understand why you'd object to that. >You can't protect stupid from their own stupidity anyway, not through regulation. Yes you can, at least you can prevent the kind of stuff going on in China around Opium Wars. (And don't you dare pull Rat Park on me).

refurb 3y ago

Not sure why you singled out Christianity. Suffering is a pretty common theme in the major religions. Hell, in Buddhism it's a core theme. And religion or not, it's undeniable that suffering is a part of the human experience.