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There should be simple OS level overrides on CSS. Not a user stylesheets or extensions or hard to find a browser flag, just a preferences window where even my m

There should be simple OS level overrides on CSS. Not a user stylesheets or extensions or hard to find a browser flag, just a preferences window where even my mother could indicate “always show scrollbars in Windows style” or “all text should be at minimum 14 points”.

tsimionescu 3y ago
I don't understand why people keep bringing up the OS in this discussion. The OS doesn't have anythign to do with the look and feel of a web page, it's the browser that decides on a default look. And even for native apps, there is no "OS look and feel" - at least not on Linux or Windows. A Win32 button doesn't look exactly like a XAML button not like an MFC button, and definitely not like a UWP button. A Gnome button doesn't look like an XFce button, nor like a Plasma button. Also, people like it this way! The OS is just a dumb layer that my hardware vendor is forcing on me. I care much more that Word works the same when I switch from a Dell laptop to an Apple one than some OS preference.
- leokennis 3y ago
  So to be sure, you’d like your Word on Mac to also have a “close window” button as a square “X” on the top right instead of a red circle on the top left? OS’s are not always 100% internally consistent but every OS vendor is striving towards that. Finally I agree that the OS should not natively style a web page (although as I said I’m in favor of user overrides). A scroll bar is not a web page. It’s an OS level interface element.
  - tsimionescu 3y ago
    Well, probably not, though even that is debatable (think of the game example). Still, I think the window control elements are pretty close to something the OS should fully control. On the other hand, I would expect it to use the Ribbon for interaction, and mostly ignore the MacOS global menu bar, so I can still find things where I'm used to them. Having said all that, scrollbars appear all the time inside other elements of an app, so I don't see why they should be compared to the window close button. If they're smack dab in the middle of my screen, they should look like the rest of the app.

tsimionescu 3y ago

I don't understand why people keep bringing up the OS in this discussion. The OS doesn't have anythign to do with the look and feel of a web page, it's the browser that decides on a default look. And even for native apps, there is no "OS look and feel" - at least not on Linux or Windows. A Win32 button doesn't look exactly like a XAML button not like an MFC button, and definitely not like a UWP button. A Gnome button doesn't look like an XFce button, nor like a Plasma button. Also, people like it this way! The OS is just a dumb layer that my hardware vendor is forcing on me. I care much more that Word works the same when I switch from a Dell laptop to an Apple one than some OS preference.

leokennis 3y ago
So to be sure, you’d like your Word on Mac to also have a “close window” button as a square “X” on the top right instead of a red circle on the top left? OS’s are not always 100% internally consistent but every OS vendor is striving towards that. Finally I agree that the OS should not natively style a web page (although as I said I’m in favor of user overrides). A scroll bar is not a web page. It’s an OS level interface element.
- tsimionescu 3y ago
  Well, probably not, though even that is debatable (think of the game example). Still, I think the window control elements are pretty close to something the OS should fully control. On the other hand, I would expect it to use the Ribbon for interaction, and mostly ignore the MacOS global menu bar, so I can still find things where I'm used to them. Having said all that, scrollbars appear all the time inside other elements of an app, so I don't see why they should be compared to the window close button. If they're smack dab in the middle of my screen, they should look like the rest of the app.