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This is also the reason I like when I see a project in C or C++. It's often a ./configure && make or something. Sometimes running a Python project even if depen

by adeon 3y ago

This is also the reason I like when I see a project in C or C++. It's often a ./configure && make or something. Sometimes running a Python project even if dependencies install, there might be some mystery crash because package dependencies were not set correctly or something similar (I had a lot of trouble with AUTOMATIC1111 StableDiffusion UI when using some extensions that installed their own requirements that might be in conflict with the main project). With a boring C project, if it compiles it probably works without hassle. Feels validating that other people have these thoughts too and I'm not just some old fart.

lynx23 3y ago
I recently hit the "classic" case. Saw a CLI tool for an API I'd like to use, written in Python. Tried it and found out it didn't work on my machine. I later found out it was a bug in a dependency of that tool. 100 lines of shell script later, I had the functionality I needed, and a codebase which was actually free of unexpected surprises. I know, this is an extreme example, but as personal anecotes go, Python has lost a lot of trust from my side. I also wonder how people can write >10k codebases without static types, but that is just me ....
- iopq 3y ago
  It's not that Python is bad. It's the people who want to just hack something quick together go to Python, so any time you pick up some software written in Python it's marred with all kinds of compatibility issues and bugs where you can't just run it The answer is "yeah use this other software to make it work in an isolated way because the whole ecosystem is actually broken" and that's somehow acceptable
raxxorraxor 3y ago
I think it is the opposite for me but I am also a fan of system independent package mangers, provided they support easy package configuration. Otherwise you not only bind to system architecture and OS, you also bind yourself to a distribution. I find that Automatic1111 plugins tend to not share dependencies and instead redownloads them for their own use. Can make your hdd cry because some of these are larger models. Advantages and disadvantages probably... There are package managers for C and some are quite good. But for most projects you are quite dependent on the package manager of your distro to supply you a fitting foundation. Sometimes it is easy, but if there is a problem, I think handling C is far harder than python. And I write quite a bit of C while I can only perhaps read python code. No code is completely platform independent, especially a stable diffusion project, but Python is still more flexible as C by a long shot here. Of course Llama is great. Time to get those LLMs on our devices for our personal dystopian AIs running amok.

by adeon 3y ago

lynx23 3y ago

I recently hit the "classic" case. Saw a CLI tool for an API I'd like to use, written in Python. Tried it and found out it didn't work on my machine. I later found out it was a bug in a dependency of that tool. 100 lines of shell script later, I had the functionality I needed, and a codebase which was actually free of unexpected surprises. I know, this is an extreme example, but as personal anecotes go, Python has lost a lot of trust from my side. I also wonder how people can write >10k codebases without static types, but that is just me ....

iopq 3y ago
It's not that Python is bad. It's the people who want to just hack something quick together go to Python, so any time you pick up some software written in Python it's marred with all kinds of compatibility issues and bugs where you can't just run it The answer is "yeah use this other software to make it work in an isolated way because the whole ecosystem is actually broken" and that's somehow acceptable

raxxorraxor 3y ago

I think it is the opposite for me but I am also a fan of system independent package mangers, provided they support easy package configuration. Otherwise you not only bind to system architecture and OS, you also bind yourself to a distribution. I find that Automatic1111 plugins tend to not share dependencies and instead redownloads them for their own use. Can make your hdd cry because some of these are larger models. Advantages and disadvantages probably... There are package managers for C and some are quite good. But for most projects you are quite dependent on the package manager of your distro to supply you a fitting foundation. Sometimes it is easy, but if there is a problem, I think handling C is far harder than python. And I write quite a bit of C while I can only perhaps read python code. No code is completely platform independent, especially a stable diffusion project, but Python is still more flexible as C by a long shot here. Of course Llama is great. Time to get those LLMs on our devices for our personal dystopian AIs running amok.