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The tension is not rural vs urban. It is educated vs the uneducated. It is urban vs rural because rural folks are less educated and therefore more susceptible

The tension is not rural vs urban. It is educated vs the uneducated. It is urban vs rural because rural folks are less educated and therefore more susceptible to forces that are predatory to those who do not make a practice of critical thinking, such as fox news (or worse). I don't think it's controversial to say that education liberalizes. Here's Nate Silver talking about education as a predictor of the 2016 election: https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/education-not-income-predicted-who-would-vote-for-trump/ https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/education-not-income-pr... > In short, it appears as though educational levels are the critical factor in predicting shifts in the vote between 2012 and 2016. Here is Pew weighing in: https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2016/04/26/a-wider-ideological-gap-between-more-and-less-educated-adults/ https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2016/04/26/a-wider-ideo...

mbg721 3y ago
The people you're upset about mostly aren't rural, they're outer-suburban and they aren't buying the values that you're selling.
- hayst4ck 3y ago
  The tragedy of the commons is a tragedy because it requires the fishermen who would otherwise fish the sea empty to not fish as much as they could. Why would any individual fisherman be happy with quotas? So I won't deny that they don't want (some of) those values, but that is why education is important, to see that if you aren't willing to make sacrifices (to say fight global warming) then you will be forced into even worse situations.
prottog 3y ago
> rural folks are less educated and therefore more susceptible to forces that are predatory to those who do not make a practice of critical thinking > I don't think it's controversial to say that education liberalizes Highly-educated city folks make totally preposterous claims with zero critical thinking all the time. So you're right that education tends to liberalize, but wrong that education somehow makes people engage in more critical thinking. I posit that for every piece of garbage that comes out of Fox News, there's an equal and opposite piece of garbage coming out of MSNBC.

mbg721 3y ago

The people you're upset about mostly aren't rural, they're outer-suburban and they aren't buying the values that you're selling.

hayst4ck 3y ago
The tragedy of the commons is a tragedy because it requires the fishermen who would otherwise fish the sea empty to not fish as much as they could. Why would any individual fisherman be happy with quotas? So I won't deny that they don't want (some of) those values, but that is why education is important, to see that if you aren't willing to make sacrifices (to say fight global warming) then you will be forced into even worse situations.

prottog 3y ago

> rural folks are less educated and therefore more susceptible to forces that are predatory to those who do not make a practice of critical thinking > I don't think it's controversial to say that education liberalizes Highly-educated city folks make totally preposterous claims with zero critical thinking all the time. So you're right that education tends to liberalize, but wrong that education somehow makes people engage in more critical thinking. I posit that for every piece of garbage that comes out of Fox News, there's an equal and opposite piece of garbage coming out of MSNBC.