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Could some form of copyright or ownership help with this? The reason they can sell it is because it's theirs. Not yours. If you retained ownership of that data

Could some form of copyright or ownership help with this? The reason they can sell it is because it's theirs. Not yours. If you retained ownership of that data somehow would they need a warrant for it?

JumpCrisscross 3y ago
> Could some form of copyright or ownership help with this Just pass privacy rights. Backing into a solution with copyright is unnecessarily messy. Nobody wants to deal with a lifetime of the courts deciding on the status of personal data seized in a bankruptcy proceeding or hypothecated to foreign investors.
- ethbr0 3y ago
  Just pass mask rights. If we have no problem with privacy, it shouldn't be illegal to wear a mask in public.
bilqis 3y ago
That implies creating market for data, attaching speculative value to it and et cetera, and stinks of web3 bullshit.
- JumpCrisscross 3y ago
  > creating market for data, attaching speculative value to it and et cetera, and stinks of web3 bullshit Creating tradeable property rights is older than web3. (Web3's innovation was turbocharging securitization by skipping the step of finding something worth securitizing.) The question is whether, and to what extent, we want personal data to be a market good. It currently is.
  - turnsout 3y ago
    > turbocharging securitization by skipping the step of finding something worth securitizing Best description of web3 I’ve ever read
linuxandrew 3y ago
Copyright isn't really ownership and only applies to creative works, software and works that exceed the threshold of originality. It doesn't apply to metadata, location information, secrets and facts about people. Ownership as a concept doesn't really apply so well to digital things because they are infinitely copy-able. I can have something digital, and you can have it too. There's certainly a need for better privacy laws which applies to PII but that doesn't really need to be conflated with copyright and ownership.
analog31 3y ago
I've thought about a couple of analogous concepts. The first is the automatic civil penalty for copying copyrighted music recordings. If you're caught and proven liable, the dollar amount of damages don't need to be debated -- they're pre-determined. The second is the concept that mere possession of certain kinds of information (unspeakable pornography) is a criminal offense. I think some combinations of these concepts could create a bounty system for victims to collect on the abuse of their personal information: 1) Improper possession is inherently illegal. 2) Offer for sale or transfer of the information carries an automatic civil penalty.
- omniglottal 3y ago
  Since music "piracy" has been demonstrated to increase music purchases, this fixed dollar amount should therefore be negative. Any music I am found sharing shall result in the music industry paying me. Sounds about right.
heavyset_go 3y ago
You likely granted surveillance companies licenses to use and share your content however they see fit, assuming EULAs and ToS are binding.

JumpCrisscross 3y ago

> Could some form of copyright or ownership help with this Just pass privacy rights. Backing into a solution with copyright is unnecessarily messy. Nobody wants to deal with a lifetime of the courts deciding on the status of personal data seized in a bankruptcy proceeding or hypothecated to foreign investors.

ethbr0 3y ago
Just pass mask rights. If we have no problem with privacy, it shouldn't be illegal to wear a mask in public.

bilqis 3y ago

That implies creating market for data, attaching speculative value to it and et cetera, and stinks of web3 bullshit.

JumpCrisscross 3y ago
> creating market for data, attaching speculative value to it and et cetera, and stinks of web3 bullshit Creating tradeable property rights is older than web3. (Web3's innovation was turbocharging securitization by skipping the step of finding something worth securitizing.) The question is whether, and to what extent, we want personal data to be a market good. It currently is.
- turnsout 3y ago
  > turbocharging securitization by skipping the step of finding something worth securitizing Best description of web3 I’ve ever read

linuxandrew 3y ago

Copyright isn't really ownership and only applies to creative works, software and works that exceed the threshold of originality. It doesn't apply to metadata, location information, secrets and facts about people. Ownership as a concept doesn't really apply so well to digital things because they are infinitely copy-able. I can have something digital, and you can have it too. There's certainly a need for better privacy laws which applies to PII but that doesn't really need to be conflated with copyright and ownership.

analog31 3y ago

I've thought about a couple of analogous concepts. The first is the automatic civil penalty for copying copyrighted music recordings. If you're caught and proven liable, the dollar amount of damages don't need to be debated -- they're pre-determined. The second is the concept that mere possession of certain kinds of information (unspeakable pornography) is a criminal offense. I think some combinations of these concepts could create a bounty system for victims to collect on the abuse of their personal information: 1) Improper possession is inherently illegal. 2) Offer for sale or transfer of the information carries an automatic civil penalty.

omniglottal 3y ago
Since music "piracy" has been demonstrated to increase music purchases, this fixed dollar amount should therefore be negative. Any music I am found sharing shall result in the music industry paying me. Sounds about right.

heavyset_go 3y ago

You likely granted surveillance companies licenses to use and share your content however they see fit, assuming EULAs and ToS are binding.