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I don't doubt that this technique was used for the people who stormed the capital on January 6th, but I would hesitate to describe many of them as "protestors".

roarcher 3y ago
You're free to describe them however you like, it's irrelevant to my point.
- phpisthebest 3y ago
  Remember to some people "there are no bad tactics, only bad targets", lots of people are blinded when their perceived political enemies are getting "what they deserve" and fail to understand the powers and tactics used on their political enemies will soon be used on them.... They will then go all shocked pikachu face then the government assault team in their door step taking them way... how can this bee they were the good ones.. they were on the "right side of history"... Welcome to the system, everyone's a victim Doesn't matter if you're red or blue it hates you all
  - hahahasotruez 3y ago
    This is literally what the Seattle populace is now doing after years of screaming "Defund the police". They have come full circle demanding more police presence due to raising crime rates. You get what you protest for or something like it.
- whoopdedo 3y ago
  It's not irrelevant to point out the false equivalency of putting constitutionally protected speech on the same level as forced entry, assault, and destruction of property.
  - roarcher 3y ago
    It's irrelevant because my entire and only point is that the government has this capability, no "may" about it. Whether my choice of words implied the level of ideological purity that you wished to see has nothing to do with that.
  - coldtea 3y ago
    Any protest march and demonstration worth its salt can be described with terms such as "forced entry, assault, and destruction of property" (and has been)...
  - graphe 3y ago
    I don't see this sentiment for the George Floyd riots that plagued the whole country for longer and did significantly more damage, instead of caring for corrupt politicians why not persecute those who robbed and stole from the common citizen. If a protest doesn't make the news what's the point?
    - thebooktocome 3y ago
      You don't see it because you're not looking for it. Plenty of protest groups were extremely vigilant about minimizing property damage and rooting out violent infiltrators. The George Floyd protests were far more policed: twenty-five protestors died; around 14k were arrested. [1] Hard to say any 1/6er suffered a similar fate, despite their significantly more egregious apparent crimes. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Floyd_protests https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Floyd_protests
      - graphe 3y ago
        Do you not see the irony of your post? Did you not see the same at the 1/6? If they were more policed, the fires, and destruction didn't help it make it appear so. I could see the Floyd protests/riots outside. 1/6 affected some .1% of the elite I could care less about. I'm still trying to see a reason why the common man hates that the citizens protest the government, or cares so much for the corrupt elite of either party. The government is not your friend. If the Floyd protests went to Washington it could have been less 1996 and more MLK.
        thebooktocome 3y ago
        I don't know how to tell you that there were George Floyd protests in DC. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Floyd_protests_in_Washington,_D.C https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Floyd_protests_in_Washi.... Somehow they managed to avoid breaking into the Capitol building and rifling through the offices of Congresscritters.
        graphe 3y ago
rootusrootus 3y ago
Actually, let's do call them protesters. If you want to get universal agreement on the need for privacy regulations, you need to present it a way that does not immediately turn away your intended audience. When both sides really agree on something, it's amazing how fast it gets done. Which, of course, is why there are people trying to hard to keep both sides from ever agreeing.
- idiotsecant 3y ago
  On one hand I know that this is true. We have to guard against special pleading that allows oppression of those we disagree with because that inevitably leads to our own oppression sooner or later. On the other hand I understand what the post you're replying to is saying, even if it's not said extremely well. There is an enormous online narrative with a lot of money and power behind it trying to normalize the most violent and anti-democratic parts of the right wing of American politics and using that to drive views, clicks, and votes. I'm normally not someone to clutch pearls and will be the first one to acknowledge that the vast majority of Americans are just decent enough people trying to figure out how to keep fed, healthy, and safe. But the tendency toward fascism in the human animal is something we need vigilance against, as demonstrated over and over again in human history. The people who attempted to violently attack the seat of democratically elected power in this country were not protestors. There were protestors outside, but the people who crossed the line to breaking and entering, assault, and terrorism were not protestors.
  - graphe 3y ago
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    - MisterBastahrd 3y ago
      Yeah, that part where they were breaking down a window of a locked door in an attempt to get into the house inner chambers to attempt to impede the democratic process of the United States was totally a protest and not an insurrection. The folks who were non-violent never made it inside the capital because they were there to protest? They were protestors. The other ones? They were insurrectionists and they all deserve prison.
PM_me_your_math 3y ago
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roarcher 3y ago

You're free to describe them however you like, it's irrelevant to my point.

phpisthebest 3y ago
Remember to some people "there are no bad tactics, only bad targets", lots of people are blinded when their perceived political enemies are getting "what they deserve" and fail to understand the powers and tactics used on their political enemies will soon be used on them.... They will then go all shocked pikachu face then the government assault team in their door step taking them way... how can this bee they were the good ones.. they were on the "right side of history"... Welcome to the system, everyone's a victim Doesn't matter if you're red or blue it hates you all
- hahahasotruez 3y ago
  This is literally what the Seattle populace is now doing after years of screaming "Defund the police". They have come full circle demanding more police presence due to raising crime rates. You get what you protest for or something like it.
whoopdedo 3y ago
It's not irrelevant to point out the false equivalency of putting constitutionally protected speech on the same level as forced entry, assault, and destruction of property.
- roarcher 3y ago
  It's irrelevant because my entire and only point is that the government has this capability, no "may" about it. Whether my choice of words implied the level of ideological purity that you wished to see has nothing to do with that.
- coldtea 3y ago
  Any protest march and demonstration worth its salt can be described with terms such as "forced entry, assault, and destruction of property" (and has been)...
- graphe 3y ago
  I don't see this sentiment for the George Floyd riots that plagued the whole country for longer and did significantly more damage, instead of caring for corrupt politicians why not persecute those who robbed and stole from the common citizen. If a protest doesn't make the news what's the point?
  - thebooktocome 3y ago
    You don't see it because you're not looking for it. Plenty of protest groups were extremely vigilant about minimizing property damage and rooting out violent infiltrators. The George Floyd protests were far more policed: twenty-five protestors died; around 14k were arrested. [1] Hard to say any 1/6er suffered a similar fate, despite their significantly more egregious apparent crimes. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Floyd_protests https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Floyd_protests
    - graphe 3y ago
      Do you not see the irony of your post? Did you not see the same at the 1/6? If they were more policed, the fires, and destruction didn't help it make it appear so. I could see the Floyd protests/riots outside. 1/6 affected some .1% of the elite I could care less about. I'm still trying to see a reason why the common man hates that the citizens protest the government, or cares so much for the corrupt elite of either party. The government is not your friend. If the Floyd protests went to Washington it could have been less 1996 and more MLK.
      - thebooktocome 3y ago
        I don't know how to tell you that there were George Floyd protests in DC. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Floyd_protests_in_Washington,_D.C https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Floyd_protests_in_Washi.... Somehow they managed to avoid breaking into the Capitol building and rifling through the offices of Congresscritters.
        graphe 3y ago

rootusrootus 3y ago

Actually, let's do call them protesters. If you want to get universal agreement on the need for privacy regulations, you need to present it a way that does not immediately turn away your intended audience. When both sides really agree on something, it's amazing how fast it gets done. Which, of course, is why there are people trying to hard to keep both sides from ever agreeing.

idiotsecant 3y ago
On one hand I know that this is true. We have to guard against special pleading that allows oppression of those we disagree with because that inevitably leads to our own oppression sooner or later. On the other hand I understand what the post you're replying to is saying, even if it's not said extremely well. There is an enormous online narrative with a lot of money and power behind it trying to normalize the most violent and anti-democratic parts of the right wing of American politics and using that to drive views, clicks, and votes. I'm normally not someone to clutch pearls and will be the first one to acknowledge that the vast majority of Americans are just decent enough people trying to figure out how to keep fed, healthy, and safe. But the tendency toward fascism in the human animal is something we need vigilance against, as demonstrated over and over again in human history. The people who attempted to violently attack the seat of democratically elected power in this country were not protestors. There were protestors outside, but the people who crossed the line to breaking and entering, assault, and terrorism were not protestors.
- graphe 3y ago
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  - MisterBastahrd 3y ago
    Yeah, that part where they were breaking down a window of a locked door in an attempt to get into the house inner chambers to attempt to impede the democratic process of the United States was totally a protest and not an insurrection. The folks who were non-violent never made it inside the capital because they were there to protest? They were protestors. The other ones? They were insurrectionists and they all deserve prison.

PM_me_your_math 3y ago

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