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It'd be funny if the engineers at reddit decided now was a good time to upgrade postgres or do some other kind of scheduled maintenance, and just not worry abou

It'd be funny if the engineers at reddit decided now was a good time to upgrade postgres or do some other kind of scheduled maintenance, and just not worry about downtime because the blackout is on anyway.

jklinger410 3y ago
Unless there is some serious damage control happening from corporate which makes them unable, I think a team of engineers would talk themselves into doing this 99% of the time.
- joeross 3y ago
  I don't see any damage control... they're still committed to the "Apollo sucks" line: > Mr. Rathschmidt added that some apps are more efficient and require significantly fewer A.P.I. calls and that “Apollo is notably less efficient than other third-party apps.” Source: https://archive.ph/y92P7#selection-681.0-681.173 https://archive.ph/y92P7#selection-681.0-681.173
AH4oFVbPT4f8 3y ago
Deniability is a powerful tool, and considering their track record this year, this decision wouldn't rank among their worst.
Tao3300 3y ago
Or rolling out the big blackout override switch
- poyu 3y ago
  Easy: ``` UPDATE subreddits SET is_private = FALSE WHERE is_private = TRUE AND updated_at BETWEEN 2023-06-11 AND 2023-06-12; ``` Bonus: Run it every hour
  - EA-3167 3y ago
    I don't think anyone doubts that Reddit could pretty easily unlock those subs, but without mods there to run them it would be a legal nightmare. How long before illegal material was flooding the site beyond the capacity of the admins alone to manage? I'd also worry that if Reddit moved in that direction, the mods would feel like they didn't have control over their own subs and bail. I don't believe that Reddit can afford that, especially given how many subs and what %age of the user base we're talking about here.
    - Tao3300 3y ago
      > How long before illegal material was flooding the site beyond the capacity of the admins alone to manage? I guess that depends on how many people are willing to risk prison just because they're mad at Reddit. Or on what automatic moderation capabilities Reddit has. Not a moderator, so I honestly don't know how much work it does or doesn't take. They probably count on volunteer mods to filter spam and whatnot, but for legal compliance? Highly doubtful.
      - EA-3167 3y ago
        I think I was unclear, that's my bad. I'm not talking about the average person "protesting" that way, I'm saying that Reddit is already flooded with illegal and ad-unfriendly stuff, the mods are the ones who spend their days picking up that trash. If you open the subs, but the mods are still on strike (and forcibly opening their subs is unlikely to change that) then who's doing the janitorial work? I'm not a mod, but I have several friends who are, and you wouldn't believe the sheer amount of gross nonsense they have to sift through. Even ignoring the relatively banal death threats, there are always questionable elements trying to sell drugs (both Rx and other), running scams, offering malware, and worse.
    - irrational 3y ago
      Today we learned that r/css hasn’t had any functioning mods in many years, yet it hasn’t been over run, yet.

jklinger410 3y ago

Unless there is some serious damage control happening from corporate which makes them unable, I think a team of engineers would talk themselves into doing this 99% of the time.

joeross 3y ago
I don't see any damage control... they're still committed to the "Apollo sucks" line: > Mr. Rathschmidt added that some apps are more efficient and require significantly fewer A.P.I. calls and that “Apollo is notably less efficient than other third-party apps.” Source: https://archive.ph/y92P7#selection-681.0-681.173 https://archive.ph/y92P7#selection-681.0-681.173

AH4oFVbPT4f8 3y ago

Deniability is a powerful tool, and considering their track record this year, this decision wouldn't rank among their worst.

Tao3300 3y ago

Or rolling out the big blackout override switch

poyu 3y ago
Easy: ``` UPDATE subreddits SET is_private = FALSE WHERE is_private = TRUE AND updated_at BETWEEN 2023-06-11 AND 2023-06-12; ``` Bonus: Run it every hour
- EA-3167 3y ago
  I don't think anyone doubts that Reddit could pretty easily unlock those subs, but without mods there to run them it would be a legal nightmare. How long before illegal material was flooding the site beyond the capacity of the admins alone to manage? I'd also worry that if Reddit moved in that direction, the mods would feel like they didn't have control over their own subs and bail. I don't believe that Reddit can afford that, especially given how many subs and what %age of the user base we're talking about here.
  - Tao3300 3y ago
    > How long before illegal material was flooding the site beyond the capacity of the admins alone to manage? I guess that depends on how many people are willing to risk prison just because they're mad at Reddit. Or on what automatic moderation capabilities Reddit has. Not a moderator, so I honestly don't know how much work it does or doesn't take. They probably count on volunteer mods to filter spam and whatnot, but for legal compliance? Highly doubtful.
    - EA-3167 3y ago
      I think I was unclear, that's my bad. I'm not talking about the average person "protesting" that way, I'm saying that Reddit is already flooded with illegal and ad-unfriendly stuff, the mods are the ones who spend their days picking up that trash. If you open the subs, but the mods are still on strike (and forcibly opening their subs is unlikely to change that) then who's doing the janitorial work? I'm not a mod, but I have several friends who are, and you wouldn't believe the sheer amount of gross nonsense they have to sift through. Even ignoring the relatively banal death threats, there are always questionable elements trying to sell drugs (both Rx and other), running scams, offering malware, and worse.
  - irrational 3y ago
    Today we learned that r/css hasn’t had any functioning mods in many years, yet it hasn’t been over run, yet.