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Well, sure, if you’re not one of those people, the abuse isn’t even targeted at you.

GenerocUsername 3y ago
Not true. As a member of one of the largest, mainstream segments of America, I constantly feel attacked while browsing 4chan. Your choice to engage is entirely based on your ability to filter and rationalize
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- Applejinx 3y ago
  Huh. I don't hang out on 4chan but I've spent time there, for instance as a would-be draw, ah, 'friend'. Doesn't matter who you are, you constantly ARE attacked while browsing 4chan. That's kind of the point. Nobody gets to be the in crowd and protected: the closest I've seen of that is for instance literal Trump and Putin, and I don't believe for a second they are truly exempt: the more certain /pol/sters try to make them be protected, the more it backfires with 4chan. Whether it is in ANY WAY USEFUL to go to a place where everybody hates you and you hate them right back and that's what the community is, that's another question. Looking back on my relation to such things, part of the reason I drifted off was that I found things to care about or be interested in, didn't matter what, and having any arbitrary interest was as good as 4chan, at dealing with the worthlessness and ennui. 4chan is a really good place to spend time if you haven't killed yourself yet. If you can connect with pretty much anything else in the universe, the other thing has a pretty easy time showing its appeal compared to 4chan. For instance, I got into MLP fandom, bronies. That came off 4chan, a great example of how channers can be redirected into anything else no matter how inappropriate, just as a relief from being channers. It's always gonna be there at the end of the line, when there's nothing else but death. But then, there are actually plenty of other things, 4chan is only one angle a person can take. It's not entirely about choice, though. As choice erodes, 4chan beckons (while flipping you off).
eindiran 3y ago
This is a deep misunderstanding of 4chan, enough so that I find it difficult to believe you've even seen any board on the site you are discussing. The abuse is directed at everyone; no matter what opinion you share, no matter who you are, you will be verbally abused in a variety of ways. Totally innocuous opinions that you would be lauded for or totally ignored for on another site are just cause for being berated and harassed on 4chan, though the extent of it is largely governed by the culture of the particular board. I think this is what OP meant by "egalitarian" (though I certainly wouldn't have chosen that word) -- equal opportunity abuse. This shared constant toxicity plus no karma/upvotes and no attachment to an online persona through anonymity mean that the playing ground is perhaps uniquely level.
- bmarquez 3y ago
  > The abuse is directed at everyone; no matter what opinion you share, no matter who you are, you will be verbally abused in a variety of ways. Yeah, this is what people misunderstand about 4chan. Obviously my race gets a lot of flak, but I've even seen racial slurs about white Europeans I've never heard anywhere else. I'm not saying it's morally right, but it feels more of a hazing tactic than legitimate hatred. Once you pass that filter you have access to some interesting information.
  - AbrahamParangi 3y ago
    4chan has the most egalitarian slur ecosystem I've ever seen, it's incredible.
- UncleMeat 3y ago
  But it is absolutely not the case that the abuse is the same magnitude at everyone.
  - buggyipadmettoo 3y ago
    And? Imagine, for example, a comedian who pokes fun at all groups exactly equally. There are infinite types of people, he wouldn’t be able to say a word. Different things are different and that’s not inherently wrong.
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JohnFen 3y ago
> the abuse isn’t even targeted at you. This doesn't actually make a difference one way or another. Abuse is abuse.
flangola7 3y ago
Yup. Go measure how often someone is accused of being a groomer pedo, simply because they're trans or have trans kids, vs how often someone is accused of being a groomer pedo, simply benzoate they're cis or have cis kids. The ratio is not 50:50. It isn't even 95:5.

Not true. As a member of one of the largest, mainstream segments of America, I constantly feel attacked while browsing 4chan. Your choice to engage is entirely based on your ability to filter and rationalize

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Applejinx 3y ago
Huh. I don't hang out on 4chan but I've spent time there, for instance as a would-be draw, ah, 'friend'. Doesn't matter who you are, you constantly ARE attacked while browsing 4chan. That's kind of the point. Nobody gets to be the in crowd and protected: the closest I've seen of that is for instance literal Trump and Putin, and I don't believe for a second they are truly exempt: the more certain /pol/sters try to make them be protected, the more it backfires with 4chan. Whether it is in ANY WAY USEFUL to go to a place where everybody hates you and you hate them right back and that's what the community is, that's another question. Looking back on my relation to such things, part of the reason I drifted off was that I found things to care about or be interested in, didn't matter what, and having any arbitrary interest was as good as 4chan, at dealing with the worthlessness and ennui. 4chan is a really good place to spend time if you haven't killed yourself yet. If you can connect with pretty much anything else in the universe, the other thing has a pretty easy time showing its appeal compared to 4chan. For instance, I got into MLP fandom, bronies. That came off 4chan, a great example of how channers can be redirected into anything else no matter how inappropriate, just as a relief from being channers. It's always gonna be there at the end of the line, when there's nothing else but death. But then, there are actually plenty of other things, 4chan is only one angle a person can take. It's not entirely about choice, though. As choice erodes, 4chan beckons (while flipping you off).

eindiran 3y ago

This is a deep misunderstanding of 4chan, enough so that I find it difficult to believe you've even seen any board on the site you are discussing. The abuse is directed at everyone; no matter what opinion you share, no matter who you are, you will be verbally abused in a variety of ways. Totally innocuous opinions that you would be lauded for or totally ignored for on another site are just cause for being berated and harassed on 4chan, though the extent of it is largely governed by the culture of the particular board. I think this is what OP meant by "egalitarian" (though I certainly wouldn't have chosen that word) -- equal opportunity abuse. This shared constant toxicity plus no karma/upvotes and no attachment to an online persona through anonymity mean that the playing ground is perhaps uniquely level.

bmarquez 3y ago
> The abuse is directed at everyone; no matter what opinion you share, no matter who you are, you will be verbally abused in a variety of ways. Yeah, this is what people misunderstand about 4chan. Obviously my race gets a lot of flak, but I've even seen racial slurs about white Europeans I've never heard anywhere else. I'm not saying it's morally right, but it feels more of a hazing tactic than legitimate hatred. Once you pass that filter you have access to some interesting information.
- AbrahamParangi 3y ago
  4chan has the most egalitarian slur ecosystem I've ever seen, it's incredible.
UncleMeat 3y ago
But it is absolutely not the case that the abuse is the same magnitude at everyone.
- buggyipadmettoo 3y ago
  And? Imagine, for example, a comedian who pokes fun at all groups exactly equally. There are infinite types of people, he wouldn’t be able to say a word. Different things are different and that’s not inherently wrong.

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JohnFen 3y ago

> the abuse isn’t even targeted at you. This doesn't actually make a difference one way or another. Abuse is abuse.

flangola7 3y ago

Yup. Go measure how often someone is accused of being a groomer pedo, simply because they're trans or have trans kids, vs how often someone is accused of being a groomer pedo, simply benzoate they're cis or have cis kids. The ratio is not 50:50. It isn't even 95:5.