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> If you want them to change a word you think is offensive, try to convince them to change it. Yeah, let's ratchet it up and take the culture war into absolute

> If you want them to change a word you think is offensive, try to convince them to change it. Yeah, let's ratchet it up and take the culture war into absolutely everything. It's a bad precedent. You've already seen the right now taking up the left's tactics and it's not the kind of place anyone wants to be in. > This isn't about changing the history books. That's has been happening too! Revise so that everything was bad and everything we are doing is good. > what we now view as bigotry. "We"? who is "we"? If someone doesn't like our culture and wants their own then they should invent it. They are interlopers that should stop trying to take our culture and changing it to suit their belief system. They need to create their own idols and gods if the existing ones don't suit their arbitrary, new standard.

slg 3y ago
>Yeah, let's ratchet it up and take the culture war into absolutely everything. It's a bad precedent. You've already seen the right now taking up the left's tactics and it's not the kind of place anyone wants to be in. What are you suggesting here? Should we curtail free speech by either restricting how a copyright holder can edit their work or that protests against those copyright holders should be limited? >That's has been happening too! Revise so that everything was bad and everything we are doing is good. What are you suggesting here? Should history never be reevaluated with modern context? >"We"? who is "we"? Society > If someone doesn't like our culture and wants their own then they should invent it. They are interlopers that should stop trying to take our culture and changing it to suit their belief system. They need to create their own idols and gods if the existing ones don't suit their arbitrary, new standard. I imagine this isn't your intent, but this might not even be indirect enough to be considered a dog whistle. Comments like "They are interlopers that should stop trying to take our culture" are exact phrases we might expect in a racist manifesto. Considering the topic at hand and your previous questioning of my use of pronouns, maybe be a little more cautious about your "our"s and "they"s.
- shapenamer 3y ago
  "Careful, sir. I think you've had too much to think. Any more comments like that and the thought police may be alerted. We wouldn't want that, would we?"
  - slg 3y ago
    I gave that person the benefit of the doubt. I didn't call them bigoted, I just told them to mind their phrasing. You are the one who is setting up a direct link between free thinking and bigotry. You might be telling on yourself.
- NoRelToEmber 3y ago
  > What are you suggesting here? Should we curtail free speech by either restricting how a copyright holder can edit their work or that protests against those copyright holders should be limited? It's telling you use "copyright holder" and not "author". I wouldn't be against a law that forced them to slap a big "Edited without author's permission" label on such falsified books. I also don't buy your implied argument that if we can't find a perfect legislative solution to a problem, we shouldn't complain about it in the first place.
- nemo44x 3y ago
  > Society No it’s not. It’s a fringe minority of very active and loud people. Taken to a vote the popular cause would reject the abandonment and destruction and desecration of our cultural artifacts. > I imagine this isn't your intent, but this might not even be indirect enough to be considered a dog whistle. My intent is that there is an active interest in destroying liberal western tradition and culture. Destroying our cultural artifacts is a front on that war. It’s not that I mind the war but rather that the instigators hide behind rhetoric like “it’s just a book” when it’s actually a malignant problem. I will defend my culture - that is, the culture that I believe interlopers are trying to destroy by throwing the baby out with the bath water. The culture that through its generosity, politeness, and respect has been taken advantage of and had these values used against it. Honestly what I fear most is the reaction.
  - slg 3y ago
    Wow, I gave you an out on that borderline white supremacist rhetoric and you didn't take it.
    - nemo44x 3y ago
      [flagged]
      - slg 3y ago
        >It’s American culture which includes everyone that wants to participate. I don’t know why you associate that with white supremacy. I'm not associating American culture with white supremacy. You are using the exact same rhetoric that white supremacists use. I don't know if you are just trolling me, if you are a legitimate white supremacist, or if you are just completely ignorant of your rhetoric. In case it is the latter, I will be clear and direct and tell you that white supremacists use the same terms and phrases you use about "interlopers" waging "war" against and "destroying liberal western tradition and culture". If you aren't one, you really should be more mindful about how you speak on this subject. There are ways to convey your views without coming off like a bigot trying to watch their words which is exactly what you sound like in these last few comments.

slg 3y ago

>Yeah, let's ratchet it up and take the culture war into absolutely everything. It's a bad precedent. You've already seen the right now taking up the left's tactics and it's not the kind of place anyone wants to be in. What are you suggesting here? Should we curtail free speech by either restricting how a copyright holder can edit their work or that protests against those copyright holders should be limited? >That's has been happening too! Revise so that everything was bad and everything we are doing is good. What are you suggesting here? Should history never be reevaluated with modern context? >"We"? who is "we"? Society > If someone doesn't like our culture and wants their own then they should invent it. They are interlopers that should stop trying to take our culture and changing it to suit their belief system. They need to create their own idols and gods if the existing ones don't suit their arbitrary, new standard. I imagine this isn't your intent, but this might not even be indirect enough to be considered a dog whistle. Comments like "They are interlopers that should stop trying to take our culture" are exact phrases we might expect in a racist manifesto. Considering the topic at hand and your previous questioning of my use of pronouns, maybe be a little more cautious about your "our"s and "they"s.

shapenamer 3y ago
"Careful, sir. I think you've had too much to think. Any more comments like that and the thought police may be alerted. We wouldn't want that, would we?"
- slg 3y ago
  I gave that person the benefit of the doubt. I didn't call them bigoted, I just told them to mind their phrasing. You are the one who is setting up a direct link between free thinking and bigotry. You might be telling on yourself.
NoRelToEmber 3y ago
> What are you suggesting here? Should we curtail free speech by either restricting how a copyright holder can edit their work or that protests against those copyright holders should be limited? It's telling you use "copyright holder" and not "author". I wouldn't be against a law that forced them to slap a big "Edited without author's permission" label on such falsified books. I also don't buy your implied argument that if we can't find a perfect legislative solution to a problem, we shouldn't complain about it in the first place.
nemo44x 3y ago
> Society No it’s not. It’s a fringe minority of very active and loud people. Taken to a vote the popular cause would reject the abandonment and destruction and desecration of our cultural artifacts. > I imagine this isn't your intent, but this might not even be indirect enough to be considered a dog whistle. My intent is that there is an active interest in destroying liberal western tradition and culture. Destroying our cultural artifacts is a front on that war. It’s not that I mind the war but rather that the instigators hide behind rhetoric like “it’s just a book” when it’s actually a malignant problem. I will defend my culture - that is, the culture that I believe interlopers are trying to destroy by throwing the baby out with the bath water. The culture that through its generosity, politeness, and respect has been taken advantage of and had these values used against it. Honestly what I fear most is the reaction.
- slg 3y ago
  Wow, I gave you an out on that borderline white supremacist rhetoric and you didn't take it.
  - nemo44x 3y ago
    [flagged]
    - slg 3y ago
      >It’s American culture which includes everyone that wants to participate. I don’t know why you associate that with white supremacy. I'm not associating American culture with white supremacy. You are using the exact same rhetoric that white supremacists use. I don't know if you are just trolling me, if you are a legitimate white supremacist, or if you are just completely ignorant of your rhetoric. In case it is the latter, I will be clear and direct and tell you that white supremacists use the same terms and phrases you use about "interlopers" waging "war" against and "destroying liberal western tradition and culture". If you aren't one, you really should be more mindful about how you speak on this subject. There are ways to convey your views without coming off like a bigot trying to watch their words which is exactly what you sound like in these last few comments.