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"scandal-ridden" what an euphemism for a well known pedophile that got out of many other crimes thanks to his money and influence. For anyone thinking that "sc

"scandal-ridden" what an euphemism for a well known pedophile that got out of many other crimes thanks to his money and influence. For anyone thinking that "scandal-ridden" is "distasteful" you are just adding insult to injury to his victims.

slim 3y ago
the guy is dead, he does not have any feelings anymore. but his family which has nothing to do with anything he did, does have feelings and can be hurt by these kinds of insults
- dryrun 3y ago
  Plenty of families cut the bridge when a member is acting absolutely morally wrong. If they were not seeing what he was doing, they were clearly blinded by a thousand suns. And if they knew and kept him, well, is remembering his legacy a bad thing? This leaves us with they knew and cut off the bridge, in which case they may well participate in the listing of his "failures", and won't mind much. Plus I'm pretty sure we are all pleb to this kind of families, so I wouldn't expect anything from them once I'm dead.
- agos 3y ago
  his family had lots to do with a lot of stuff he did
glonq 3y ago
Furthermore, it's probably redundant to put "scandal-ridden" before "italian prime minister" ;)
- ohgodplsno 3y ago
  I'm sure you can find many like... Liiiiiike... Hey De Gasperi helped found the Council of Europe!
- borroka 3y ago
  How and to what extent compared to the leaders of other Western countries? Take the United States, for example. Clinton? George W.? Trump? Biden? And I leave out Obama because he has a cleaner (but not immaculate) profile than the others just mentioned. Are Italian prime ministers more scandalous than French (take Sarkozy, to cite a recent example) or British (Boris Johnson anyone?) prime ministers? More recent Italian prime ministers include Mario Monti, Mario Draghi, Romano Prodi, Giuseppe Conte, all politicians and bureaucrats who may or may not be liked, but with a much higher personal and public profile than many of their counterparts in the Western world. Please let's stop with silly, and frankly annoying, stereotypes.
  - lormayna 3y ago
    Mario Draghi was a world class economist and he had top role in institution like Bank italia and Bce. Mario Monti and Romano Prodi as well was high profile economists. Giuseppe Conte, instead, was a faceless lawyer that was invested as PM for an agreement between parties, he was neither candidate at the election. Comparing him with the others it's just an offense against them.
    - borroka 3y ago
      One thing I teach my kids is that you don't read what you want to read, but what the other person writes. And comment on the latter. In this case, the other person (me), wrote, with reference to the "scandalous profile" of many Italian PMs: "all politicians and bureaucrats who may or may not be liked, but with a much higher personal and public profile than many of their counterparts in the Western world." I did not mention their political stature, but their personal and public profile. Giuseppe Conte, who was a nobody before he got the role of PM (which, for those unfamiliar with the Italian Constitution, must be elected by Parliament, it is not as if he was a self-candidate. In Italy, PMs are not elected by the people, but by the members of the Senate and Parliament, so there was nothing strange, the same was true for Monti and Draghi, while Prodi was the leader of a coalition that got the majority of votes/seats), he was a full professor of Private Law (not just a "lawyer") at the University of Florence and LUISS University in Rome (one of the very few private universities in Italy), and he had a number of quite relevant (for Italy) board positions. A profile fairly common among politicians. As far as I know, his private life was not scandalous at all. He was far from having the international profile of Monti, Draghi or Prodi, but both his personal life and tenure as premier were not scandalous at all (and arguably better than the terrible tenure of Mario Monti). PS, I did not vote for him or support him, and I consider him among the best and brightest.
lormayna 3y ago
Not a Berlusconi fan, but defining pedophile someone that had sex with a 17,5 year old is exaggerated. It's disgusting for a 75 years old, but pedophilia is a different thing.

slim 3y ago

the guy is dead, he does not have any feelings anymore. but his family which has nothing to do with anything he did, does have feelings and can be hurt by these kinds of insults

dryrun 3y ago
Plenty of families cut the bridge when a member is acting absolutely morally wrong. If they were not seeing what he was doing, they were clearly blinded by a thousand suns. And if they knew and kept him, well, is remembering his legacy a bad thing? This leaves us with they knew and cut off the bridge, in which case they may well participate in the listing of his "failures", and won't mind much. Plus I'm pretty sure we are all pleb to this kind of families, so I wouldn't expect anything from them once I'm dead.
agos 3y ago
his family had lots to do with a lot of stuff he did

glonq 3y ago

Furthermore, it's probably redundant to put "scandal-ridden" before "italian prime minister" ;)

ohgodplsno 3y ago
I'm sure you can find many like... Liiiiiike... Hey De Gasperi helped found the Council of Europe!
borroka 3y ago
How and to what extent compared to the leaders of other Western countries? Take the United States, for example. Clinton? George W.? Trump? Biden? And I leave out Obama because he has a cleaner (but not immaculate) profile than the others just mentioned. Are Italian prime ministers more scandalous than French (take Sarkozy, to cite a recent example) or British (Boris Johnson anyone?) prime ministers? More recent Italian prime ministers include Mario Monti, Mario Draghi, Romano Prodi, Giuseppe Conte, all politicians and bureaucrats who may or may not be liked, but with a much higher personal and public profile than many of their counterparts in the Western world. Please let's stop with silly, and frankly annoying, stereotypes.
- lormayna 3y ago
  Mario Draghi was a world class economist and he had top role in institution like Bank italia and Bce. Mario Monti and Romano Prodi as well was high profile economists. Giuseppe Conte, instead, was a faceless lawyer that was invested as PM for an agreement between parties, he was neither candidate at the election. Comparing him with the others it's just an offense against them.
  - borroka 3y ago
    One thing I teach my kids is that you don't read what you want to read, but what the other person writes. And comment on the latter. In this case, the other person (me), wrote, with reference to the "scandalous profile" of many Italian PMs: "all politicians and bureaucrats who may or may not be liked, but with a much higher personal and public profile than many of their counterparts in the Western world." I did not mention their political stature, but their personal and public profile. Giuseppe Conte, who was a nobody before he got the role of PM (which, for those unfamiliar with the Italian Constitution, must be elected by Parliament, it is not as if he was a self-candidate. In Italy, PMs are not elected by the people, but by the members of the Senate and Parliament, so there was nothing strange, the same was true for Monti and Draghi, while Prodi was the leader of a coalition that got the majority of votes/seats), he was a full professor of Private Law (not just a "lawyer") at the University of Florence and LUISS University in Rome (one of the very few private universities in Italy), and he had a number of quite relevant (for Italy) board positions. A profile fairly common among politicians. As far as I know, his private life was not scandalous at all. He was far from having the international profile of Monti, Draghi or Prodi, but both his personal life and tenure as premier were not scandalous at all (and arguably better than the terrible tenure of Mario Monti). PS, I did not vote for him or support him, and I consider him among the best and brightest.

lormayna 3y ago

Not a Berlusconi fan, but defining pedophile someone that had sex with a 17,5 year old is exaggerated. It's disgusting for a 75 years old, but pedophilia is a different thing.