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CCS1 is a DC Fast charging plug / protocol. You're not installing that at home. I have a tesla; I got a cheap charger on amazon and use the j1772 converter th

by cduzz 3y ago

CCS1 is a DC Fast charging plug / protocol. You're not installing that at home. I have a tesla; I got a cheap charger on amazon and use the j1772 converter that came with my car to charge the car. Another friend, also with a tesla, also does home charging using a "standard" plug and a j1772 adapter. There are even "tesla to j1772" adapters. The CCS1 plug is enormous and silly. The existing DC fast charging networks tha aren't run by tesla are absurdly bad. They failed because they were setup to drive people away from EVs (seemingly) -- deeply unreliable and expensive and poorly placed. This whole "Tesla plug standard wins" thing is around DC fast charging and not L2 / AC charging, where the plug barely matters -- everyone will use a cheap passive adapter and move on with their lives (I use an adapter basically everywhere I charge and barely notice)

mkozlows 3y ago
CCS is a superset of J1772, and "CCS charger" here means obviously "charger that is physically compatible with a CCS charging port, but not compatible with an NACS charging port." I'm glad the adapter life works well for you, but I submit that for a mass audience, it's not going to be acceptable. "I just use an adapter everywhere I charge" is a thing only early adopters put up with.
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throwaway5959 3y ago
That’s just not true. While some chargers are out at EA stations I’ve never had to wait in line when I went and always have been able to charge at max (relative to curve). Are they as good as Tesla? No. Should Hyundai/Kia owners be left out in the cold due to their charge port choice? No.
- cduzz 3y ago
  Who's being left in the cold? Other than people with chademo only cars, that is? If you have a CCS1 car, you can buy an adapter and use the tesla app to charge at a supercharger. If you have an NACS car you can buy an adapter to use CCS1 chargers. Neither is great but nobody's getting cold unless they're unwilling to buy adapters. The OP was talking about "which charger should I install at my house or business?" which is silly -- install a j1772 plugged L2 charger -- everyone with NACS car has an adapter. CCS1 is a fast charging protocol / plug. If you were planning on starting a fast charging network, well, the cost and the plug and cord is 0.001% of the cost. So add a NACS and CCS1 cables to your kiosk and you're fine. EA or other places will probably still add CCS1 plugs for the next 3+ year to new installs (all 300 of them) and you get access to tesla superchargers if you buy an adapter. If you manage to drive a CCS1 for 20 years it might be a problem but it's not an issue today.

by cduzz 3y ago

mkozlows 3y ago

CCS is a superset of J1772, and "CCS charger" here means obviously "charger that is physically compatible with a CCS charging port, but not compatible with an NACS charging port." I'm glad the adapter life works well for you, but I submit that for a mass audience, it's not going to be acceptable. "I just use an adapter everywhere I charge" is a thing only early adopters put up with.

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throwaway5959 3y ago

That’s just not true. While some chargers are out at EA stations I’ve never had to wait in line when I went and always have been able to charge at max (relative to curve). Are they as good as Tesla? No. Should Hyundai/Kia owners be left out in the cold due to their charge port choice? No.

cduzz 3y ago
Who's being left in the cold? Other than people with chademo only cars, that is? If you have a CCS1 car, you can buy an adapter and use the tesla app to charge at a supercharger. If you have an NACS car you can buy an adapter to use CCS1 chargers. Neither is great but nobody's getting cold unless they're unwilling to buy adapters. The OP was talking about "which charger should I install at my house or business?" which is silly -- install a j1772 plugged L2 charger -- everyone with NACS car has an adapter. CCS1 is a fast charging protocol / plug. If you were planning on starting a fast charging network, well, the cost and the plug and cord is 0.001% of the cost. So add a NACS and CCS1 cables to your kiosk and you're fine. EA or other places will probably still add CCS1 plugs for the next 3+ year to new installs (all 300 of them) and you get access to tesla superchargers if you buy an adapter. If you manage to drive a CCS1 for 20 years it might be a problem but it's not an issue today.