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> With some empathy you can often tell. This doesn't sound like empathy - it sounds like stereotyping. Instead of getting to know someone and finding out about

> With some empathy you can often tell. This doesn't sound like empathy - it sounds like stereotyping. Instead of getting to know someone and finding out about them, or accepting that you just don't know details about their life, you develop a story of their life in head based on nothing but your gut feeling. > Also don't need to know anything to know that 70+ year olds don't work at some menial service industry job in countries where they can afford to retire. Is Sweden one of those countries where people can afford to retire? Because they have about the same rate of 75+ year olds working as the US. https://www.euronews.com/next/2023/02/22/the-rise-of-elderly-workers-who-works-beyond-the-age-of-65-or-75-in-europe https://www.euronews.com/next/2023/02/22/the-rise-of-elderly... https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/slideshows/states-with-the-largest-share-of-workers-age-75-and-older https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/slideshows/states-wi...

coldtea 3y ago
>Is Sweden one of those countries where people can afford to retire? Because they have about the same rate of 75+ year olds working as the US. From the very link you provided, regarding Sweden: "a succession of policy choices have pushed older people into work". And from the report they link to: "The latest pension reform (a defined contribution scheme) has increased the economic incentives to work longer. Parallel, it has become more difficult to get a disability pension even for only medical reasons. (...) Several political decisions were also taken from the early 1990s on to counteract early retirement and increase the actual retirement age. (...) There is a clear socio-economic gradient in the age of retirement. Low-skilled jobs have lower wages and worse working conditions, work environment and occupational protection. The difference in “lost years”, i.e. the number of years that people exit from the labour market before reaching age 65, between early and late exit jobs amounts to 4.82 years for men (“Other sales and services elementary occupations” compared to “College, university and higher education teaching professionals”). For women, the difference is 5.55 years." Rather than some socialist paradise, as is the stereotype of Sweden in the US (well, though compared to which, it might very well be), the political establishment there has been increasingly pushing neoliberal reforms for decades now.

coldtea 3y ago

>Is Sweden one of those countries where people can afford to retire? Because they have about the same rate of 75+ year olds working as the US. From the very link you provided, regarding Sweden: "a succession of policy choices have pushed older people into work". And from the report they link to: "The latest pension reform (a defined contribution scheme) has increased the economic incentives to work longer. Parallel, it has become more difficult to get a disability pension even for only medical reasons. (...) Several political decisions were also taken from the early 1990s on to counteract early retirement and increase the actual retirement age. (...) There is a clear socio-economic gradient in the age of retirement. Low-skilled jobs have lower wages and worse working conditions, work environment and occupational protection. The difference in “lost years”, i.e. the number of years that people exit from the labour market before reaching age 65, between early and late exit jobs amounts to 4.82 years for men (“Other sales and services elementary occupations” compared to “College, university and higher education teaching professionals”). For women, the difference is 5.55 years." Rather than some socialist paradise, as is the stereotype of Sweden in the US (well, though compared to which, it might very well be), the political establishment there has been increasingly pushing neoliberal reforms for decades now.