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Yet another alarmist article. These predictions are so easy to make and nobody cares if you are wrong. From the past (you can google more yourself): https://ap

by lsh123 3y ago

Yet another alarmist article. These predictions are so easy to make and nobody cares if you are wrong. From the past (you can google more yourself): https://apnews.com/article/bd45c372caf118ec99964ea547880cd0 https://apnews.com/article/bd45c372caf118ec99964ea547880cd0 https://www.nytimes.com/1995/09/18/world/scientists-say-earth-s-warming-could-set-off-wide-disruptions.html https://www.nytimes.com/1995/09/18/world/scientists-say-eart... https://nypost.com/2021/11/12/50-years-of-predictions-that-the-climate-apocalypse-is-nigh/ https://nypost.com/2021/11/12/50-years-of-predictions-that-t...

abm53 3y ago
The article is mostly about current conditions, not predictions.
- lsh123 3y ago
  Last 2 sentences from the article: "... The end of global industrial civilization is where we are headed right now, not at some future dystopian moment. I wish I had a hopeful word to end with. But I don’t."
  - otikik 3y ago
    "mostly".
its-summertime 3y ago
Predictions end up being wrong if things change https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montreal_Protocol https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montreal_Protocol and others for example (besides, "Will happen" is very different from "Could happen")
- lsh123 3y ago
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_method https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_method "The purpose of an experiment is to determine whether observations agree with or conflict with the expectations deduced from a hypothesis"
josho 3y ago
Let's see, you don't want people to be alarmist on events that could remap the world as we know it? Okay, if we aren't alarmist then governments won't take action. It sounds like there is no way to win with people like you, and evidently there are enough people like you that we've done nothing. Regarding your specific complaint, let's look at the AP article. The article is based off an interview with a director, not a scientist. I'm not sure if it's poorly written or the director poorly communicated the issue. The article implies that by 2000 we'd see all of these extreme outcomes, that wasn't what was intended to be communicated. Instead it was that we had until 2000 to stop these events from happening in the future. Which is a very different message. Regardless here we are in 2023 and we are getting ever closer to those events occurring, with some leading indicators already taking place.
- lsh123 3y ago
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Boy_Who_Cried_Wolf https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Boy_Who_Cried_Wolf

by lsh123 3y ago

abm53 3y ago

The article is mostly about current conditions, not predictions.

lsh123 3y ago
Last 2 sentences from the article: "... The end of global industrial civilization is where we are headed right now, not at some future dystopian moment. I wish I had a hopeful word to end with. But I don’t."
- otikik 3y ago
  "mostly".

its-summertime 3y ago

Predictions end up being wrong if things change https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montreal_Protocol https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montreal_Protocol and others for example (besides, "Will happen" is very different from "Could happen")

lsh123 3y ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_method https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_method "The purpose of an experiment is to determine whether observations agree with or conflict with the expectations deduced from a hypothesis"

josho 3y ago

Let's see, you don't want people to be alarmist on events that could remap the world as we know it? Okay, if we aren't alarmist then governments won't take action. It sounds like there is no way to win with people like you, and evidently there are enough people like you that we've done nothing. Regarding your specific complaint, let's look at the AP article. The article is based off an interview with a director, not a scientist. I'm not sure if it's poorly written or the director poorly communicated the issue. The article implies that by 2000 we'd see all of these extreme outcomes, that wasn't what was intended to be communicated. Instead it was that we had until 2000 to stop these events from happening in the future. Which is a very different message. Regardless here we are in 2023 and we are getting ever closer to those events occurring, with some leading indicators already taking place.

lsh123 3y ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Boy_Who_Cried_Wolf https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Boy_Who_Cried_Wolf