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Eh I get what you're saying but I don't think most people who switch to vaping actually stop quit nicotine all together, they just continue vaping with often hi

Eh I get what you're saying but I don't think most people who switch to vaping actually stop quit nicotine all together, they just continue vaping with often higher levels of nicotine. I guess they have the advantage of getting rid of second-hand smoke and the permeating smell of cigarettes. I think a similar thing happens with "diet" "sugar-free" products. Almost all of the people who use these products neglect every other aspect of their health thinking they're really going to tackle obesity by swapping out processed sugar for sweeteners. Anecdotally, I've never seen someone using copious amounts of these sweeteners look healthy. They continue on being obese and out of shape. I think if your goal is to be healthy then your mind set has got to change and using an option like artificial sweeteners is just a "have your cake and eat it too" position that won't result in making you healthier.

dmix 3y ago
> they just continue vaping with often higher levels of nicotine Source?
- DrThunder 3y ago
  Here's a start - feel free to go off on your own and learn. https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/wellness-and-prevention/5-truths-you-need-to-know-about-vaping https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/wellness-and-preventi... "What’s worse, says Blaha, many e-cigarette users get even more nicotine than they would from a combustible tobacco product: Users can buy extra-strength cartridges, which have a higher concentration of nicotine, or increase the e-cigarette’s voltage to get a greater hit of the substance."
- ryeights 3y ago
  I can’t speak to OP’s claim about former smokers. However as a younger person who knows many younger never-smoker vape users, I can attest that they all consume vastly more nicotine than would ever be practical with cigarettes. Vape pods are highly concentrated and you can use them anywhere, any time. No more need to bother with sneaking out of the house or taking smoke breaks.
mike10921 3y ago
Nicotine itself is not more harmful than coffee or similar products. It is the smoking that is the main health risk. Assuming that vaping is less harmful, that would make it a win if one was to choose between smoking and vaping. Of course, doing neither is the absolute best choice.
- DrThunder 3y ago
  Excuse me? That's irrevocably false. Where did you pull that misinformation from? The big vape industry? https://www.verywellhealth.com/what-is-nicotine-5075412 https://www.verywellhealth.com/what-is-nicotine-5075412 " There are many health risks and side effects associated with using nicotine. Some of the health risks include: Nicotine contributes to the development of emphysema—a type of chronic obstructive pulmonary disease— in smokers. It’s potentially carcinogenic. Chronic nicotine use is linked to lung, gastrointestinal, pancreatic, and breast cancer. Nicotine use is associated with peptic ulcer disease (PUD) and gastroesophageal reflux disease (GERD). Nicotine use increases the risk of hypertension and cardiovascular diseases. Nicotine use during pregnancy increases the likelihood of complications and adverse outcomes like miscarriages and stillbirth.9 Children exposed to nicotine in the womb are more predisposed to health problems throughout their lifetimes. These health problems affect their endocrine, reproductive, neurologic, respiratory, and cardiovascular systems.9 Nicotine use can cause cardiac arrhythmia—a cardiovascular condition characterized by an irregular heartbeat.10"
  - fatfingerd 3y ago
    Do we really know what portion of this isn't just correlation between nicotine and the fact that it has to be administered which usually involves smoke, fiberglass irritation, etc? I think the main problem with nicotine is its addictiveness and the fact that that will lead you to accept risks in administration via cigarettes, toxic fluid vapors, chew with fiberglass, etc.
  - klik99 3y ago
    We're talking about nicotine, not smoking. There is no evidence that nicotine is carcinogenic. https://www.cancerresearchuk.org/about-cancer/causes-of-cancer/smoking-and-cancer/is-vaping-harmful https://www.cancerresearchuk.org/about-cancer/causes-of-canc... > Nicotine is the chemical that makes cigarettes addictive. But it is not responsible for the harmful effects of smoking, and nicotine does not cause cancer. People have safely used nicotine replacement therapy (NRT) to stop smoking for many years. Nicotine replacement therapy is prescribed by doctors or is available from pharmacies. The risks for hypertension, etc is true for nicotine, because it's a stimulant, so same risks exist for coffee. There is very little conclusive evidence that nicotine (not talking about smoking or vaping) has any health effects that aren't also caused by coffee/stimulants. The best thing you can say about vaping is that it's very understudied and long term effects are unknown, and likely has some long term effects that are bad for you. Smokeless nicotine (swedish snus-variety) is considered very safe. The problem is smoking and nicotine have been so intertwined for so long that when they say "Nicotine causes x" most of the time what they mean is "Smoking causes x" and maybe also "Vaping could potentially cause x"
doxeddaily 3y ago
How many fat people have you seen lose weight and keep it off forever? Not very damn many that's for sure.
- nashashmi 3y ago
  how many fat people were at some time before thin? getting fat is the end result of getting old.
  - ndsipa_pomu 3y ago
    Most of the really old people that I see are quite thin - is that due to the long-term health effects of being overweight meaning that they don't survive as long, or is it that extreme old age (>80) also involves a reduction in appetite?
toolz 3y ago
Nicotine isn't bad. There are plenty of ways people use nicotine in just as benign a way as many people use caffeine. You've missed the far-and-above most beneficial effect of switching to vaping, which is getting rid of inhaling the huge category of carcinogens that come with inhaling partially burned solid fuel. Cigarettes don't give you cancer because of nicotine. They give you cancer because of partially burned solid fuel.

dmix 3y ago

> they just continue vaping with often higher levels of nicotine Source?

DrThunder 3y ago
Here's a start - feel free to go off on your own and learn. https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/wellness-and-prevention/5-truths-you-need-to-know-about-vaping https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/wellness-and-preventi... "What’s worse, says Blaha, many e-cigarette users get even more nicotine than they would from a combustible tobacco product: Users can buy extra-strength cartridges, which have a higher concentration of nicotine, or increase the e-cigarette’s voltage to get a greater hit of the substance."
ryeights 3y ago
I can’t speak to OP’s claim about former smokers. However as a younger person who knows many younger never-smoker vape users, I can attest that they all consume vastly more nicotine than would ever be practical with cigarettes. Vape pods are highly concentrated and you can use them anywhere, any time. No more need to bother with sneaking out of the house or taking smoke breaks.

mike10921 3y ago

Nicotine itself is not more harmful than coffee or similar products. It is the smoking that is the main health risk. Assuming that vaping is less harmful, that would make it a win if one was to choose between smoking and vaping. Of course, doing neither is the absolute best choice.

DrThunder 3y ago
Excuse me? That's irrevocably false. Where did you pull that misinformation from? The big vape industry? https://www.verywellhealth.com/what-is-nicotine-5075412 https://www.verywellhealth.com/what-is-nicotine-5075412 " There are many health risks and side effects associated with using nicotine. Some of the health risks include: Nicotine contributes to the development of emphysema—a type of chronic obstructive pulmonary disease— in smokers. It’s potentially carcinogenic. Chronic nicotine use is linked to lung, gastrointestinal, pancreatic, and breast cancer. Nicotine use is associated with peptic ulcer disease (PUD) and gastroesophageal reflux disease (GERD). Nicotine use increases the risk of hypertension and cardiovascular diseases. Nicotine use during pregnancy increases the likelihood of complications and adverse outcomes like miscarriages and stillbirth.9 Children exposed to nicotine in the womb are more predisposed to health problems throughout their lifetimes. These health problems affect their endocrine, reproductive, neurologic, respiratory, and cardiovascular systems.9 Nicotine use can cause cardiac arrhythmia—a cardiovascular condition characterized by an irregular heartbeat.10"
- fatfingerd 3y ago
  Do we really know what portion of this isn't just correlation between nicotine and the fact that it has to be administered which usually involves smoke, fiberglass irritation, etc? I think the main problem with nicotine is its addictiveness and the fact that that will lead you to accept risks in administration via cigarettes, toxic fluid vapors, chew with fiberglass, etc.
- klik99 3y ago
  We're talking about nicotine, not smoking. There is no evidence that nicotine is carcinogenic. https://www.cancerresearchuk.org/about-cancer/causes-of-cancer/smoking-and-cancer/is-vaping-harmful https://www.cancerresearchuk.org/about-cancer/causes-of-canc... > Nicotine is the chemical that makes cigarettes addictive. But it is not responsible for the harmful effects of smoking, and nicotine does not cause cancer. People have safely used nicotine replacement therapy (NRT) to stop smoking for many years. Nicotine replacement therapy is prescribed by doctors or is available from pharmacies. The risks for hypertension, etc is true for nicotine, because it's a stimulant, so same risks exist for coffee. There is very little conclusive evidence that nicotine (not talking about smoking or vaping) has any health effects that aren't also caused by coffee/stimulants. The best thing you can say about vaping is that it's very understudied and long term effects are unknown, and likely has some long term effects that are bad for you. Smokeless nicotine (swedish snus-variety) is considered very safe. The problem is smoking and nicotine have been so intertwined for so long that when they say "Nicotine causes x" most of the time what they mean is "Smoking causes x" and maybe also "Vaping could potentially cause x"

doxeddaily 3y ago

How many fat people have you seen lose weight and keep it off forever? Not very damn many that's for sure.

nashashmi 3y ago
how many fat people were at some time before thin? getting fat is the end result of getting old.
- ndsipa_pomu 3y ago
  Most of the really old people that I see are quite thin - is that due to the long-term health effects of being overweight meaning that they don't survive as long, or is it that extreme old age (>80) also involves a reduction in appetite?

toolz 3y ago

Nicotine isn't bad. There are plenty of ways people use nicotine in just as benign a way as many people use caffeine. You've missed the far-and-above most beneficial effect of switching to vaping, which is getting rid of inhaling the huge category of carcinogens that come with inhaling partially burned solid fuel. Cigarettes don't give you cancer because of nicotine. They give you cancer because of partially burned solid fuel.